Hawaii Vacation Gadget Review!

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I confess, I've become enough of a gadgeholic that every outing is an excuse to try new stuff. So, my vacation to Hawaii became prime testing material. I spent 5 days with my family on the big island, around Hilo and Volcano National Park, hiking over terrain as diverse as tropical rain forest, dry lava fields, rocky shorelines. First up is:

Lights and Lava Tubes:

We went out at late at night, and followed Chain of Craters Road to a few miles down the shoreline from the current Kilauea eruption. At the end of the road is miles of dried lava fields, over which one can hike out, being careful not to get too close to the shoreline as occasionally acres at a time fall off into the ocean. At night you have to hike over the fields with flashlights. The Surefire E1 I used was plenty bright, as was the Princeton Tec 4-AAA Rage my stepdaughter had. The SureFire M-2 w/ P60 lamp seemed like a spotlight, totally destroying night vision and basically being overkill. I saved it as a backup.

But there's darkness, and then there's darkness. Kaumana Caves are really dried up old lava tubes. It amazed me how people showed up to look at the Caves. I watched no few than 30 people show up, get no more than 20 feet into the tubes, then leave. Why? Because they had no flashlights, and were wearing flip-flops! These are pretty rugged tubes, a big one on the right, and the one on the left I went into.

It is dark in the tubes. So dark that when you turn your flashlight off, even after letting your eyes adjust, you still can't tell whether your eyes are open or shut. Blackness. What's amazing is the way the tubes seem to devour the light from a flashlight. My E1 bordered on inadequate. The tight spotlight was not big enough to light up a reasonable path on the extremely rugged cave floor bottom, and the outer corona was devoured into nothingness by the cave. The Princeton Tec Rage did better, mine has a very big bright spot which lit up a reasonable sized path. Even the Surefire M-2 didn't seem all that bright! If I had a brighter light, I would have used it. But the P60 lamp was the right choice over the P61, you want at least an hour of burntime, I wouldn't want to change batteries in the tube if I could help it. A Streamlight Scorpion might be the best choice -- a little less bright than the M2, but focusable beam lets you choose between wide beam for choosing a path, and narrow beam for seeing what's up ahead and examing the tube wall and ceiling features.

To get through the caves, you want each person to have a bright flashlight & spare set of batteries. The cave floor is extremely rugged, very sharp rocks that shift, and remember all that darkness. A feel a First Aid kit a must. Good hiking shoes are required. I didn't need a helmet in the left tube, which is where I penetrated more deeply, but it wouldn't be a bad idea. When we came out of the caves we noticed we were fatigued and thirsty -- I think the disorienting effect of the darkness kept us from noticing that on the inside. Do bring water to drink.

Thurston Lava tube is a "tamed" tube, with a lighted walkway. At the end of that tube there's a small gate -- if you have a flashlight you can go another 1000 ft., which almost nobody does (I did). It's not as interesting as Kaumana caves, but the floor has been made smooth, so it's safer.

There are some even wilder tubes, but I didn't feel those would be safe for my family so I skipped them.

Hiking with Baby:

The Kelty Elite pack, once I got used to it, was great. The baby rides in the back, and my baby was comfortable and happy in the pack. I hiked through all kinds of terrain, no problem. I highly recommend a walking stick for balance, I used a telescoping aluminum job from Leki.

Knives:

I brought a Micra, PST II, endura, and Spydercard. Only the Spydercard got any real use. I used it for misc. cutting and for cutting moleskin. Also used it on fruits like mango and rumbaton. Rumbaton is this awesome fruit, about the size of an egg, bright red, and totally unappealing looking with dozens of short tentacles sticking out of it. Cut through the skin halfway around and twist, the top will come off revealing translucent white flesh and pitin the middle. Tastes somewhat like a grape but breadier. Delicious.

Trip Planning:

The entire trip info was in my Handspring Platinum. The itinerary I came up with, travel plans, hotels, etc. Also, free detailed maps courtesy of mapopolis. And games, which kept my teenage stepdaughter off my back when she got bored.

Backup module meant that even in the event of a crash, I could restore without the use of the PC.

Map reading is difficult on such a small screen, but has its advantages, like instant searches. Mapopolis definitely needs some tuning on its interface, I'll probably spring for commercial mapping software unless mapopolis v2.0 is a good improvement. But overall, the Platinum's maps supplemented paper maps very well.


Joe

[This message has been edited by Joe Talmadge (edited 11-27-2000).]
 
Sounds like fun! Did you take any pics of the cave? How long were you in the cave? I get 50 minutes out of a 6P.

After using your Spydercard can you think of a knife more suitable for the situation?

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"A knifeless man is a lifeless man"
-Nordic proverb
 
Originally posted by David Williams:
Sounds like fun! Did you take any pics of the cave? How long were you in the cave? I get 50 minutes out of a 6P.

Ya, killer time! I was in all 3 lava tubes for probably 50 minutes total, most of that spent in the leftmost Kaumana cave. I used the M2 sparingly though, it probably took about 30 minutes of runtime total. It's still running and somewhat bright.

I have video from the cave. I think we took some pics,I'll have to check. Both the video camera and photo camera had trouble focusing. Even when we shined lights on us, it's weird, the light just disappears and the camera complains it can't focus. If I have any good pics from the caves I'll scan 'em in.


After using your Spydercard can you think of a knife more suitable for the situation?


This was all lightweight cutting, the most important thing was a super razor sharp edge. The Calypso Jr. lightweight would have been perfect. The Spydercard has an incredibly thin edge that worked just fine., though.

Joe

 
Yup, that sure sounds like fun.

Sad thing is, although I live in Hawaii, I've never done anything like that! Also, all I have is a 3D-Maglite...

I love mango...never heard of rumbaton though.
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Joe,

Used to do a lot of caving when I was young and (thin?) foolish . I don't think I would fit most places any more.

There are not a lot of lava tubes in the north east, and I have never been in one, but I do know that they have a reputation for "eating light".

Most of our trip were in the 24 to 36 hour range using carbide as a primary light source. In those days a 2 "C" cell Kellight was state of the art for a primary backup.

You really need to know and trust your equipment if you get very far from the entrance. It is not like you can trot back to the car for fresh batteries.

I remember when we would shut down our lights two things would happen to me. First I would think that I could see light, always just out of my vision to the side, even when I turned my head. Later, I could convince myself that I could see something (cave wall) in front of me. When I would reach out to touch it I would either reach right through it, or hit something with my hand before I got to what I thought I could see.


Mike
 
Sweet trip! I was just there with 5 friends last month. We also went to the end of Chain of Craters Road and the Thurston lava tube (if I had known about the Kaumana Caves, I would have went there too). I forgot to load the Mapopolis maps for Hawaii on my Visor Deluxe, so I didn't get any help there. Did you use a guide book? We used "Hawaii The Big Island Revealed; The Ultimate Guidebook" by Andrew Doughty, Harriett Friedman. It was really an excellent resouce for info. They have books for Maui and Kauai too!

I brought my 6P, Lightwave 2000, Pal survival light, Trek 3, and assorted photons for light. I wanted to see how the LED lights would perform in the lava tube and at Chain of Craters when we when to see the lava flowing at night. The Lightwave actually worked pretty well in since the beam pattern was more spread out than the the other "normal" flashlights that everyone else had. Did you see the sign at the kiosk at the end of Chain of Craters Road that had prices for water, flashlights, and batteries? I had to laugh, thinking about some poor tourist hiking out to the lava and then dropping the flashlight, breaking the bulb in the process. Anyway, back to topic...the lightwave obviously wasn't as bright as the 6P, but I could still see pretty well to hike. I was even able to see with the blue photon in the Thurston lava tube (the unlit section is the only one worth exploring). The 6P was better than anything else at the tube and on the lava flow, but I know that my NiteRider Digital Headtrip (with the headband mount) would have really lit up whatever I was looking at. For its size, it was nice to have a palmable spotlight
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. The PAL was impressive in light output, but the beam is so narrow that I really didn't use it.

As far as knives, I brought a bunch. Calypso Jr. Ltwt, Military, serrated Delica, CRKT neck PECK and straight KISS, SAK Cybertool 34 and Manager. I really wanted to bring my new BM42 but didn't want to risk losing it to baggage handlers; I was already taking the risk with the Military, which I couldn't help bringing because I love it so much.

I want to go back to the big island because we didn't hike out to the actual lava flow from the end of Chain of Craters Road. I was dark already and we heard it was a long hike (2 or 4 mile?) in the heat. It's not that our group wasn't equipped well (we all had boots, water, good flashlights, and I had a compass-mechanical and on the Visor), but it was already late, and we didn't want to get back to the car really late. Next time, we'll hike out during the day and bring food with us, so we can eat out at the flow and wait for it to get dark before hiking back. When we where out on the hard lava flow, someone had collasped about 1/4 mile from the end of the road, probably from the heat and exertion (he didn't look like the athletic type). The rangers were doing CPR for almost an hour before he was medivaced out. I have my doubts whether he survived since he was down so long. 2 days later when we where on Oahu, a friend told us that another person had collasped on the lava flow. I guess most tourists are unprepared for the exertion and heat of hiking there, even at night. I would hate to die out there alone. Despite the risk (which is minimal if you take adequate supplies), the lava flow and the rest of the island are really cool.

Until Maui next year...

gm
 
Originally posted by gadgetman:
Sweet trip! I was just there with 5 friends last month. We also went to the end of Chain of Craters Road and the Thurston lava tube (if I had known about the Kaumana Caves, I would have went there too). I forgot to load the Mapopolis maps for Hawaii on my Visor Deluxe, so I didn't get any help there. Did you use a guide book? We used "Hawaii The Big Island Revealed; The Ultimate Guidebook" by Andrew Doughty, Harriett Friedman. It was really an excellent resouce for info. They have books for Maui and Kauai too!

gadgetman --

I looked at a lot of books, and had some way to gauge usefulness since I've been to the big island before. Hawaii: The Big Island Revealed is absolutely the best I've found for cool sites, back ways to get to places, things off the beaten path, etc.

If you liked the Thurston lava tube, you'd love Kaumana caves, they're much more wild and have much more interesting geologic formations. Hawaii: TBIR describes an even wilder tube accessible via a hike through the rainforest! I'd have done it if I didn't have the baby along.

I want to go back to the big island because we didn't hike out to the actual lava flow from the end of Chain of Craters Road. I was dark already and we heard it was a long hike (2 or 4 mile?) in the heat. It's not that our group wasn't equipped well (we all had boots, water, good flashlights, and I had a compass-mechanical and on the Visor), but it was already late, and we didn't want to get back to the car really late. Next time, we'll hike out during the day and bring food with us, so we can eat out at the flow and wait for it to get dark before hiking back. When we where out on the hard lava flow, someone had collasped about 1/4 mile from the end of the road, probably from the heat and exertion (he didn't look like the athletic type). The rangers were doing CPR for almost an hour before he was medivaced out. I have my doubts whether he survived since he was down so long. 2 days later when we where on Oahu, a friend told us that another person had collasped on the lava flow. I guess most tourists are unprepared for the exertion and heat of hiking there, even at night. I would hate to die out there alone. Despite the risk (which is minimal if you take adequate supplies), the lava flow and the rest of the island are really cool.

I was out there around 1996, when the lava flow was right there at the end of Chain of Craters road! Much of that area was roped off, but we found out that there were guided tours by the rangers past the ropes (not advertised anywhere! we found out about it from a ranger who chatted with my sister). That was very cool.

Anyway, you might find out if they still have those. At the very least, you get an hour out on the lava fields, in normally inaccessible areas, and you have the ranger to yourself, so you can interrogate him on the real dangers of hiking out to the flow, when you should do the hike, etc.

Aside from heat exhaustion, bench collapse is a real risk, so you have to stay well inland. Other dangers are that you are actually hiking over old lava tubes, you'll want to find out whether any can collapse. HIking back at night sounds really iffy, since there are definitely skylights in the old tubes that will be harder to see at night. Lastly, if the wind changes direction and the steam cloud ends up floating over you, the cloud is poisonous, and can cause near-whiteout conditions.

Frankly, if I were with friends who were in shape, I'd hike out to the eruption, too
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But make sure you really understand the risks -- in particular, hiking back at night is something I probably wouldn't consider until I'd talked in-depth with a ranger.

Joe
 
Originally posted by CD Fleischer:
Great Review, Joe.

I take it you were wearing boots instead of flip-flops? How did your footwear perform?

Clay

Good question! I wore Ecco hiking boots for hiking in forests and on lava fields. I have some foot problems, and Ecco ends up being one of the few brands that I can stay comfortable in, that's why I chose them. I wore Teva sport sandals around town and for more touristy/beachy sites. I don't really think flip-flops are useful at all, because even the beaches can be very rocky. Teva-type sandals work really well.

Joe

 
dragon1: The mangos out there were heaven! I could only find rumbatons on the big island, and even rarely even there. Well worth looking though. Most small, roadside fruit stands have at least a few.

MNH: I figured an experienced caver would be able to deal with much less light, but I also imagine that the floor of a lava tube is much more rugged than the floor of a typical cave (just guessing here), so even then a bit more light is probably useful. I carried fresh batteries for every light, plus one extra flashlight in case one or more got dropped and broken.
 
Joe,

Those rugged lava tubes really suck up the light, don't they? The Thurston tube *is* really smooth. I imagine that a real lava tube would leave my 6P wanting.

At the end of Chain of Craters Road, there were no ropes that we could see. Perhaps they were farther in, though we could see flashlights in the distance towards where the lava was entering the ocean. I was thinking more on the lines of "if they can do, so can we!". We had hiked toward the flowing lava about 1/2 mile (about 20 minutes) just to get away from the car headlights. There were alot of other tourists around as well, and I don't remember seeing any warning at the kiosk about collaspe danger on the lava field. There were warning signs on the lava field not to approach the ocean, so we stayed away form the water.

I hadn't thought of skylights in old lava tubes. Also, I wasn't interested (well, I am, but I'm not crazy!) in getting close to the actual eruption; I was talking about going to where the lava was flowing into the ocean. Unless there were sulfur vents at the coast, there shouldn't be any hydrogen sulfide gas. I did see some of those vents from the rim of the crater. Any gas that is in the lava should be exhausted by the time the lava reaches the ocean. Still, I wouldn't get too close anyway because of the heat of the steam. I think I'll talk to a ranger before we make a decision to hike there or not. I'll have to look at the guide book again to see what it says on the topic.

I'll probably bring my Leki trekking poles next time. I'll have to try that Rumbaton when I go back. Did you get any "white" pineapple? It's milder in flavor than the regular kind. I found that the variety of fruit on Kauai and Maui was better though. I usually use a Mountainsmith Tour lumbar pack to carry my supplies. I carry water in a Platypus bladder or in Nalgene bottles. The lumbar pack works with grocery store water bottles too. If you're using or thinking of using a Mountainsmith lumbar pack, get the Strapettes shoulder straps. I have narrow hips, so they really help me distribute the load (and I always carry alot of heavy gear-knives, flashlights, food, water).

I really wanted to get a GPS springboard, but couldn't decide on which one and whether to get a stand alone unit for the battery life and shorter lock-on time. I still haven't decided on the GPS...

I'm already looking forward to going back.

gm
 
Originally posted by gadgetman:

At the end of Chain of Craters Road, there were no ropes that we could see.

Yeah, those are gone, now that the site of the lava flow has moved 4 miles down the coast. Back when they had roped off areas, the lava was flowing into the ocean right there at the end of Chain of Craters Road, but of course it was all underground until it spilled out at the end. When the lava is flowing through the tubes, the tubes are evidently softer (makes sense), and they didn't want anyone falling through the tops, so they roped off those areas. The ranger took us out very far on newly-hardened lava, he knew where active tubes were, or so he claimed
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There were alot of other tourists around as well, and I don't remember seeing any warning at the kiosk about collaspe danger on the lava field. There were warning signs on the lava field not to approach the ocean, so we stayed away form the water.

That's the collapse danger! The "bench" is considered the first few hundred feet measured back from the ocean. This part can collapse under its own weight, back into the ocean. That's why they don't want you anywhere near the ocean.

I hadn't thought of skylights in old lava tubes. Also, I wasn't interested (well, I am, but I'm not crazy!) in getting close to the actual eruption; I was talking about going to where the lava was flowing into the ocean. Unless there were sulfur vents at the coast, there shouldn't be any hydrogen sulfide gas. I did see some of those vents from the rim of the crater. Any gas that is in the lava should be exhausted by the time the lava reaches the ocean.

Sorry, by "eruption" I meant where the lava spills out into the ocean. White-out is a definite possibility, but I could have sworn I also read that the steam does have some caustic compounds in it, like sulfuric acid.

In any case, just head to the Visitors Center near Volcano House, they have a couple of one-page brochures on the dangers, and do's and don'ts for going out there. Talk to the rangers too, and ask detailed questions. They'll discourage you from going, but at least you can know all the dangers. LIke I said, I'd definitely do it myself, but I'd want to be really really informed.


I'll probably bring my Leki trekking poles next time. I'll have to try that Rumbaton when I go back. Did you get any "white" pineapple? It's milder in flavor than the regular kind. I found that the variety of fruit on Kauai and Maui was better though. I usually use a Mountainsmith Tour lumbar pack to carry my supplies. I carry water in a Platypus bladder or in Nalgene bottles. The lumbar pack works with grocery store water bottles too. If you're using or thinking of using a Mountainsmith lumbar pack, get the Strapettes shoulder straps. I have narrow hips, so they really help me distribute the load (and I always carry alot of heavy gear-knives, flashlights, food, water).

I didn't try the white pineapple, thanks for the tip, I'll try it next time I'm out there!

I used an Arc'Teryx pack when I didn't have the Kelty Elite on. Nice little pack. I've checked out that lumbar packs too -- VERY comfy if you can fit all your gear into it. I'm also a huge fan of the Camelback-style water bladders, I find I drink more and can stay better-hydrated.

I really wanted to get a GPS springboard, but couldn't decide on which one and whether to get a stand alone unit for the battery life and shorter lock-on time. I still haven't decided on the GPS...

Me too! I'll probably go with the Magellan springboard, the Geode seems awfully expensive.

I'm already looking forward to going back.

Tell me about it! My wife and I are planning to leave the tribe at home and head out on our own next time, but that probably won't be for another couple years, sigh.

Joe

 
One of the other factors in it being so dark is they have a self imposed ban of bright street lights to help the observatories see better. Living away from a city I am used to it being dark, but I think a lot of "city folk" find it odd how dark it can really get at night without a moon or streetlights bouncing back of the sky. Using a 6P in Chicago at night seems bright, using it in Hawaii out near the lava fields it looks like a 12PM.

On a side note if you get the chance, go up to the observatories at night, it is truly amazing! Either on Mauna Kea, or Mauna Loa, it is a long drive but well worth it.

Brock
 
Something I learned when I went to Mouna Kea with my class in fourth grade:

If you wash your hands after you pee, dry them.

 
A quick update on mapopolis. I just went to mapopolis.com and downloaded mapopolis2.0. This version has everything I wanted in mapping software -- haven't played with it too much yet,but I think it might address the complaints I had about the version that I took on my trip. It's got some excellent features if you download the extended maps.
 
Joe,

I can't figure out how to do the quotes.

I understand the "bench" concept more clearly; I'll make sure to keep it in mind.

The steam clouds probably aren't the best thing to hang out in, even if they may not be immediately dangerous. Who knows what's in it unless you carry around that sort of analytical equipment. I'm not fond of contact with sulfuric acid (I get enough at work), and hydrogen sulfide in lethal concentrations is actually beyond the smell limit (way over it, so that you don't smell it anymore...I know that may not make sense), so I had never planned on tromping through the steam clouds anyhow.

I'm leaning towards the Garmin eTrex Summit instead of exposing my VDX to the dust/weather/droppage possibility of hiking. Besides, it's not water resistant. I'll have to download Mapopolis 2.0.

Those white pineapples are only in season for a few months at a time and were at the end of the growing season when I was there in early October. I don't know exactly how long the season lasts.

gm
 
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