Hawk vs. Hatchet weight

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I'm sick of carrying my backpack hatchet. It's a standard small axe deal but has a heavier head than average. Are hawks generally lighter than or about the same weight as your typical hatchet/small axe? A rough average is all I need, nothing precise. I'm looking at the Cold Steel rifleman? as it looks small, handy and cheap.
 
Look at their trail hawk. You save 13 ounces right off the bat, according to their listed weights.
 
Thanks for the replies. I should stop being a lazy bugger and throw this hatchet on a scale. It has to weigh 5-7 lbs. I'd better take a closer look at these hawks. if they're heavier/bulkier, I guess I'll pass on one. I'll check out the specs on the "trail".
 
A CS Trailhawk is a little over 1.25lbs. The Rifleman is significantly heavier.

A Fiskars 14" hatchet is a little under 1.25 lbs. Probably a better chopper overall.
 
If you don't need a hammer poll, and you like Cold Steel's offerings, you might go for their Frontier Hawk. I prefer it over the Rifleman. It's light, has a lot more cutting edge than the Trail Hawk, and usually retails on eBay, etc. for a few bucks less. (The Trail Hawk is, I think, maybe a shade lighter than the Frontier, but it gets that way, notwithstanding having a small hammer poll, by being much narrower.) If you go with either the Trail Hawk or the Frontier, you'll want to reprofile the edge, and (if you're like me, and like a little-more-classic look) lose the paint finish for something a bit more rustic, but you'll end up with a pretty light hatchet for not too much cash. Easily backpacked. You might also think about losing some of the handle length, though you might first want to see how the lighter weight alters your chopping performance--you might end up happy with the extra handle length.

As said above, the Cold Steel Rifleman is a very heavy tomahawk; the others by CS are not so, but are generally pretty light.
 
All good replies and I appreciate the input/experience from all of you. This is the situation. I'm at Lake Athabasca on the extreme northern tip of Saskatchewan, Canada. 60 K from the North West Territories border. There is pretty much nothing here. A gallon of milk costs 16 dollars because it's a fly in, isolated community. Point is, I can't drive over to a store and see these hawks. My info is from eyeballing online. I'm flying out for a week on the 22nd to see friends/family for xmas, then plan on hitting a knife store for a hawk. A little early info avoids my making a poor decision while down south, as I'll be super busy and have limited time. My sharpening the upper tip of my BK1 into a spear point and getting a hawk is partly wood chopping for fires and self defence re: black bears, which are all over out here. As I said before, a blacky will likely shred me as opposed to my killing it ( I don't have firearms). But, I believe in self defence and putting up a fight. I don't have a Daniel Boone fantasy running through my head, these things can kill you. I just want a better chance of running the hell away with my guts still inside. This may sound melodramatic but it's real up here. The unprepared/stupid are the ones that usually die in the bush.
 
I'm sick of carrying my backpack hatchet. It's a standard small axe deal but has a heavier head than average. Are hawks generally lighter than or about the same weight as your typical hatchet/small axe? A rough average is all I need, nothing precise. I'm looking at the Cold Steel rifleman? as it looks small, handy and cheap.

I have the cold steel rifleman, it's listed as 2 lbs, seems about right. The trailhawk felt a little puny to me. Both are available at lebaron.ca, I picked mine up at the store. I would recommend it, but 5-7lbs it is not, how heavy is what you are carrying around now?
 
Fort Turner Trapper Tomahawk gets my vote. Also get one of his sheaths for it. Top quality product at a reasonable price. JMO Skinner.
 
For more extensive wood shaping, chopping I would also suggest Fort Turner over any Cold Steel. Better steel, heat treatment, handle attachment, and not so heavy. Well worth the slightly higher price.

As for defense against a bear, the hawk would not help much beyond pissing off the bear even more. Not deep enough penetration, and would glance off probably from most of the bear's body. A Cold Steel boar spear might be more effective, since the cross piece might make it more easy to retrieve the spear head.

A hawk would be handy to make a few sharpened wooden spears, but those are less likely to slow down a bear. I think, that spears + a longer knife as a last resort would be better than a hawk, but only a gun can give you good enough chances against a bear.

If you don't want to throw a hawk and value performance over the cool factor, you might consider a Wetterlings hatchet (the 15" one). It would be heavier than the Trail Hawk and the Frontiers Hawk, but would be only around 2 lb including the handle. It will come with at least a useable edge and a sheath, and will wastly outperform any hawk for cutting, shaping and splitting the wood. It has a nice poll for hammering in stakes and can be purchased for around US$ 35-40 from various sources on the net.
If you like longer handles, you can have the 19" one, which is the same head on a longer handle.
 
The Rainier Scout is a small size belt axe that will offer the versatility of an axe with some hawk nuances. You can skin out game, quarter it up, chop up some kindling and still do your tent pegs at just under a pound.
 
My goodness!

What is this Axe?

Sorry, I'm poor at weight estimate and I've likely overestimated. It is a chunky/clunky thing though. I guess the final decision on the hawk will be my hefting them. I also like the idea of giving it an old patina/finnish. I'll likely be back later to eyeball the refinishing threads. I briefly looked at a pic with multiple hawks and they sure looked a lot better than stock. Thanks all for your tips/info.;)
 
if you want a really light little chopper, you might want to go with a fiskars 9 inch backpaxe. it weighs a total of 18 ounces, just over a pound, and it is really tiny.

i handled (and weighed) it in the local store, and it is a neat little chopper.
 
I live in Prince Albert(I thought I was up north) and they have the Fiskars and a few Gerbers at the local canadian tire. I prefer a wood handle myself though.
For Cold Steel products you have to go to the cutting edge in either saskatoon
or regina. I have had my eye on one of the double bitted Marbles on Ragweed forge for 39$US. I found a really nice swedish hatchet head under the seat of an old truck, ground off the rust and plan to hang it when I find a nice chunk of maple.
 
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