Hawksbill Pruners and Coal Miners

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I’ve just ordered my first hawkbill pruner pattern knife. I’d heard once these knifes were and remain popular among coal miners in Kentucky and Virginia, but I’ve never really heard an explanation as to why this is the case. I’d be interested, if someone has some knowledge on the subject, in knowing if this is case or if it’s just hearsay that’s been repeated, and if it is true, why the pattern was so popular. Did it have to do with simple availabilty, tradition,usefulness?
 
What would a coal-miner use his knife for? Cutting fuses?
But how many guys would be cutting fuses?
 
Easy to pinch open?
This pattern seems to have had a following in the Southern states.--KV
 
I can’t speak to the coal mining connection, but my dad usually had one in his pocket when we were working on our farm (in Kentucky). It was easy to open while wearing gloves, and the blade shape was well-suited to the rough cutting tasks he had to perform.
 
Easy to pinch open?
[QUOTE="Frailer, post: 18894870, member: 257132" It was easy to open while wearing gloves, and the blade shape was well-suited to the rough cutting tasks he had to perform.[/QUOTE]

Makes sense.

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I think the coal companies used to give them out. About every old miner I know carries one.
 
Well, I'm a mining engineer and worked in various capacities in underground coal mines to earn money while attending WVU's College of Mineral and Energy Resources (now merged with the rest of the engineering disciplines). I haven't worked underground for almost 15 years, but I remember everyone having a knife. Not everyone carried a hawkbill, but it was probably the dominant pattern.

I believe the ease of opening with a gloved hand had something to do with it, but not totally. I worked for one company that required the wearing of metacarpal padded gloves 100% of the time while underground, so for this company, only a pinchable blade worked. No nail Knicks, etc. Other companies I worked for issued gloves but did not require wearing them all the time (way better). Try threading a nut onto a bolt with a gloved hand....

At the later company, I saw a lot of multitools on mine belts, and a ton of hawkbills.
Here is why the pattern works in this environment.
-easy to open
-hard to make it close on fingers due to tip being below centerline
- for electricians and maintenance mechanics, a lot of electrical wire work is performed and big stuff at that. Some 4160v, 7200v wire. The mechanics can lay the cable on the ground, grip the knife and score the cable sheathing to expose damaged leads. This is done with one or two hands pulling the knife toward your body
-Also cutting rubber conveyor belting is a very hard pull cut.
-Another task is cutting mine bratice. Hawkbill works there as well.
-The only chores it wouldn't do well on would be pushing into a bag of mortar or other function that requires an initial push cut.

So the rigorous overhand pull cutting that requires a lot of force lends itself to the swayback hawkbill pattern in a coal mine.

Think of it like this, your on your knees, reaching one or two handed out in front of you and pulling with all your might back toward yourself. There are a lot of these type of cuts required to keep a mine running.
 
Every coal miner I ever knew had a pocket knife. Traditionals were king then. As for the hawkbill, I don't know. I never really paid much attention to knife patterns then. I noticed knives, but it was a purely utilitarian interest at that point in terms of what other people were carrying.
 
I'm here in the heart of coal country in southwest VA and can't say I've seen a hawkbill.

I know some older fellas I can ask.

I mainly see trappers, stockmen, and lockbacks.
 
Well, I'm a mining engineer and worked in various capacities in underground coal mines to earn money while attending WVU's College of Mineral and Energy Resources (now merged with the rest of the engineering disciplines). I haven't worked underground for almost 15 years, but I remember everyone having a knife. Not everyone carried a hawkbill, but it was probably the dominant pattern.

I believe the ease of opening with a gloved hand had something to do with it, but not totally. I worked for one company that required the wearing of metacarpal padded gloves 100% of the time while underground, so for this company, only a pinchable blade worked. No nail Knicks, etc. Other companies I worked for issued gloves but did not require wearing them all the time (way better). Try threading a nut onto a bolt with a gloved hand....

At the later company, I saw a lot of multitools on mine belts, and a ton of hawkbills.
Here is why the pattern works in this environment.
-easy to open
-hard to make it close on fingers due to tip being below centerline
- for electricians and maintenance mechanics, a lot of electrical wire work is performed and big stuff at that. Some 4160v, 7200v wire. The mechanics can lay the cable on the ground, grip the knife and score the cable sheathing to expose damaged leads. This is done with one or two hands pulling the knife toward your body
-Also cutting rubber conveyor belting is a very hard pull cut.
-Another task is cutting mine bratice. Hawkbill works there as well.
-The only chores it wouldn't do well on would be pushing into a bag of mortar or other function that requires an initial push cut.

So the rigorous overhand pull cutting that requires a lot of force lends itself to the swayback hawkbill pattern in a coal mine.

Think of it like this, your on your knees, reaching one or two handed out in front of you and pulling with all your might back toward yourself. There are a lot of these type of cuts required to keep a mine running.
Thanks so much to you and to everyone who replied. Good info, and I love learning the uses and history of traditional knives.
 
Most coal miners are country folks and country folks carry pocket knives. I have coal miners in my family. I personally never really enjoyed going underground. I don't even like limestone caverns unless they are commercial and somewhat pristine. Too many possibilities for severe physical harm in the total blackness.
 
Hey everyone, first post, I am a mining engineer and was issued a hawkbill knife when I went underground at AEP’s SOCCO mines in the early 1980’s.

I had that knife till recently and can’t find it! Ridiculous it has been a great garage knife for years. If I get it found I will add a picture. I think it had three blades or maybe two. I will find it. Lol
 
Hey everyone, first post, I am a mining engineer and was issued a hawkbill knife when I went underground at AEP’s SOCCO mines in the early 1980’s.

I had that knife till recently and can’t find it! Ridiculous it has been a great garage knife for years. If I get it found I will add a picture. I think it had three blades or maybe two. I will find it. Lol

Welcome to The Porch Mike, might I ask if you've ever seen a knife like this underground?

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It's discussed in the thread I linked to above :thumbsup:
 
The handle is exactly like mine with the ring but a browner color and the material looked cheaper on mine.

And yes I’ve seen one of those knives. Never used one myself but there were various applications I’m sure where that might have been handy.
As far as physical harm. I was almost killed twice and we were in danger of being hurt nearly every day.

It was a good thing that I ended up in another field.


Peace
 
Another application besides trimming or cutting conveyor belt might have been brattice. They used that yellow heavy like tarps used vertically to temporarily direct the flow of air to the mining face. I always thought it was spelled braddish. I just a hillbilly I guess.

Don’t think I’m a mining engineer anymore I can barely remember this stuff. Lol
 
The handle is exactly like mine with the ring but a browner color and the material looked cheaper on mine.

And yes I’ve seen one of those knives. Never used one myself but there were various applications I’m sure where that might have been handy.
As far as physical harm. I was almost killed twice and we were in danger of being hurt nearly every day.

It was a good thing that I ended up in another field.


Peace

Another application besides trimming or cutting conveyor belt might have been brattice. They used that yellow heavy like tarps used vertically to temporarily direct the flow of air to the mining face. I always thought it was spelled braddish. I just a hillbilly I guess.

Don’t think I’m a mining engineer anymore I can barely remember this stuff. Lol

Thanks a lot for the info Mike, I'm from Sheffield, England, which was once at the heart of one of the biggest coal-mining areas here (as well as a centre for steel and cutlery of course), so I have a lot of family and friends who were miners :thumbsup:
 
Cool info, thank you. Bought Kim a Hawksbill a few months ago to use in the garden. Had no idea they were prevalent in coal mines.
 
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