Heads up - interesting thread in "General Knife discussion"

I saw the thread and after reading it, I had a headache..........The thread started out saying the knife was purchased new and was not abused, the pics from CRK states otherwise. From the initial post, you think the knife is like new, but after you see the pics.....jeez. From those pics, you can see the knife was clearly abused and not treated properly. If you abuse a knife or anything for that matter, when it finally starts to fail, you cannot expect the company to fix it for free. Wether its a CRK, Strider, you name it. They are offering to fix it though for a certain $$ amount ( because of the obvious abuse ), so its not like they are not backing up their product. The story with this knife changed several times through the many pages, its just a joke. It all comes down to this and I will quote myself from above:
"If you abuse a knife or anything for that matter, when it finally starts to fail, you cannot expect the company to fix it for free."
 
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Hey, all. I think I've posted in the CRK forum a couple times before, but I have a thought or two about this particular thread. I'll admit, I don't own a Sebenza. I do have what some might refer to as a "poor man's Sebenza," which is a Benchmade Pinnacle. I've had the knife for six years with it being one of my main edc knives. It still locks up fine, although the lockbar is about 75% across the blade. I expect as much as I see this as an inherent design weakness (not flaw). All locks have their weaknesses, though.

As for "flicking," the kind where centrifugal force smacks the blade into the stop pin, whenever people do that to my knife I cringe! It's like hitting two hammers together on a smaller scale! Not a good idea. Lucky for all Sebenza owners, if there is a flaw in the knife, you can get it fixed. My Pinnacle was discontinued years ago (before mine was purchased), so I can't really get much done to my knife if there's a problem.

My point is, wrist flicking to open frame locks and liner locks is a bad idea! I even have a liner lock knife that has a worn out liner so the blade can "shake" up and down. It's from a reputable company and I'm sure they'll fix it, but I just haven't sent it in yet.

As for my view on CRK; I still want... no, NEED to get an Umnumzaan!
 
nyefmaker said:
The thread started out saying the knife was purchased new and was not abused, the pics from CRK states otherwise. From the initial post, you think the knife is like new, but after you see the pics.....jeez. From those pics, you can see the knife was clearly abused and not treated properly.
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+1, initially I was on the side of the original poster, but the pics really make you change your mind after you see the shape the knife is in and the apparent abuse which it was subjected to.
 
Agreed, treat your knife properly and it will service you for years.

Especially that we are talking about CRK knives, CRK owners have been using their knives for years without that kind of idiocy. In fact, just recently a testimonial was posted on a small Sebenza that it was used for 9 years every day and still functions as if it were new.
 
dl351 said:
Hey, all. I think I've posted in the CRK forum a couple times before, but I have a thought or two about this particular thread. I'll admit, I don't own a Sebenza. I do have what some might refer to as a "poor man's Sebenza," which is a Benchmade Pinnacle. I've had the knife for six years with it being one of my main edc knives. It still locks up fine, although the lockbar is about 75% across the blade. I expect as much as I see this as an inherent design weakness (not flaw). All locks have their weaknesses, though.

As for "flicking," the kind where centrifugal force smacks the blade into the stop pin, whenever people do that to my knife I cringe! It's like hitting two hammers together on a smaller scale! Not a good idea. Lucky for all Sebenza owners, if there is a flaw in the knife, you can get it fixed. My Pinnacle was discontinued years ago (before mine was purchased), so I can't really get much done to my knife if there's a problem.

My point is, wrist flicking to open frame locks and liner locks is a bad idea! I even have a liner lock knife that has a worn out liner so the blade can "shake" up and down. It's from a reputable company and I'm sure they'll fix it, but I just haven't sent it in yet.

As for my view on CRK; I still want... no, NEED to get an Umnumzaan!
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You're right about the hammer analogy. That kid is an idiot. He's one of those who thinks it's cool to flick open a knife all the time and use it for anything and everything. And to abuse so badly something that is supposedly so important to him doesn't make sense at all.

The guy is full of crap. That thread was complete BS. I'm glad CRK posted those pics. Just another stupid kid on the forums.
 
Let me chimed in on CR customer service. I called and asked them about the lanyard because I bought my sebenza used on this site and it didn't come with one. They took my name and address down and are sending me a lanyard for free.

That's customer service.
 
Oh man my head hurts from reading through that whole thread...:barf:
 
JediKnight86 said:
You're right about the hammer analogy. That kid is an idiot. He's one of those who thinks it's cool to flick open a knife all the time and use it for anything and everything. And to abuse so badly something that is supposedly so important to him doesn't make sense at all.

The guy is full of crap. That thread was complete BS. I'm glad CRK posted those pics. Just another stupid kid on the forums.
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You are so right that is a stupid kid who dosnt know how to use a knife, I will admit i am 18 (so you might still call me a kid) and i carry my large sebenza everyday. Now i have had mine for a month? and mine dosnt look anything like that. I use my knifes as a cutting tool not a prybar or hammer! It all comes down to the old saying using the right tool for the job.
 
krazichinaman said:
Oh man my head hurts from reading through that whole thread...:barf:
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I am glad I was not the only one that ended up with a headache after reading that.

The pics posted by Chris Reeve said it all, the knife was abused and I agree they should not fix it for free.
 
nyefmaker said:
I am glad I was not the only one that ended up with a headache after reading that.

The pics posted by Chris Reeve said it all, the knife was abused and I agree they should not fix it for free.
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Hah! Glad I'm not the only one who read through all that! Yeah, that knife looked pretty trashed. I'm not the best at sharpening knives, but none of my knives look like that Sebenza! Even my "beater" Gerber EZ-out which has been wrist flicked open many times and was my first attempt at sandpaper convex sharpening doesn't look half as bad, and I've had that for 12 or 13 years now!

Even as an outsider who usually just lurks in this forum, this situation just didn't seem quite right, especially considering all the praise I've seen for CRK's.
 
Chris called me one time regarding a repair that my new Sebenza needed. He sounds like the friendliest man one can imagine. He was humble and apologetic and repaired my knife for free. I can't imagine the person that guy was talking to on the phone is the same person. He's a liar.
 
I agree with mongomondo. I was going to mention that I've seen comments like that before, of Chris calling people about their knives to reassure them. I've also seen him at knife shows speaking to customers, browsers, dealers, me :) and he's always relaxed, friendly, very helpful, a fine salesman. One time I saw him get curt with a man who walked up, admired the knives, and made a real low-ball offer. All Chris said was, I do not discount my knives.

I wonder if Ben was hoping Chris wouldn't see the thread, as he doesn't spend a lot of time on the forums. Or maybe he didn't realize he would have taken pictures.

Oops! :p
 
Esav Benyamin said:
I agree with mongomondo. I was going to mention that I've seen comments like that before, of Chris calling people about their knives to reassure them. I've also seen him at knife shows speaking to customers, browsers, dealers, me :) and he's always relaxed, friendly, very helpful, a fine salesman. One time I saw him get curt with a man who walked up, admired the knives, and made a real low-ball offer. All Chris said was, I do not discount my knives.

I wonder if Ben was hoping Chris wouldn't see the thread, as he doesn't spend a lot of time on the forums. Or maybe he didn't realize he would have taken pictures.

Oops! :p
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I actually wanted to have him post and I wanted all of your guys opinions, if i didn't why would i have posted it, I was shocked when CR called me and i was surprised by his tone with me. Well back to the point, now i understand that what i did constitutes abuse and I am going to apologize to CR tomorrow when i call him back. But now I want to apologize to blade forums for this mess. I will not bore you guys with anymore details.

Thanks,
Ben
 
mongomondo said:
Chris called me one time regarding a repair that my new Sebenza needed. He sounds like the friendliest man one can imagine. He was humble and apologetic and repaired my knife for free. I can't imagine the person that guy was talking to on the phone is the same person. He's a liar.
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Mr. Reeve called me about a knife repair as well. He explained in detail what happened and what went wrong and told me he was personally taking care of the matter. It was truely an honor to talk to him and when I told him how many of his knives I have, he thanked me several times throughout the conversation. He talked to me almost 1/2 hour, which I thought was awsome since I know he is very busy. I hold Mr. Reeve and his knives in very high reguard. It was an honor to talk to someone of his stature in the knife industry and for him to take the time to call little old me was truely amazing.
 
We all have different experiences. I've been using knives and tools for something like sixty years. It is hard for me to imagine someone not viscerally understanding what effect forces and materials have on each other. But that's why we say "live and learn".
 
Anybody here have friends that look at your knives and in order to open the knife they open it a little less than half way, followed by a flick of the wrist which smacks the blade open? I don't understand that one bit. Not only does it seem hard on any blade, but it's slower than just opening it with your thumb! Well, at least slower in that it takes longer to get the knife into a useful position.

I flick open my Gerber EZ-out every now and then, but I am able to do that without using my thumb to open first. If I really need to use the knife, as opposed to fidgeting, I use my thumb. Just as fast (if not faster), more controlled, and easier on the knife.

I agree with Esav. "Live and learn." Thankfully we're all lucky enough to have places like this forum to speed up the learning curve!
 
Another bit of knife tradition:

Reading about the old French Laguiole, I found they are made without a "kick", the small extension under the ricasso that keeps the edge from slamming into the handle when closing it quickly.

One solution is to put a strip of cork or some other cushioning material inside. Another is to close the knife slowly, not releasing the blade until it has gently touched down. At that point I realized that's how I always close slipjoints, even those with a kick.

Look out for your tools, and your tools will look out for you.

(Look out for your employees, and your employees will look out for your business. :))
 
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