Recommendation? Heat treat yes or no

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Hello knife community i got into this a week ago and got a blank piece of semi truck frame which should be HSS steel, using a 2x42 belt sander and angle grinder i Ddnt over heat the knife to change its color while shaping it it is a 10” kitchen cleaver, i have it shaped and beveled,

do i need to heat treat the knife and how difficult is heat treating HSS steel,
I plan on making more with this steel as it is free for me, or should i give up and buy blade steels?

And what should i buy as a beginner to heat treat at home without breaking the bank?
 
"HSS" can stand for two things: High Speed Steel or Hollow Structural Section. High Speed Steel is for cutting tools that operate very hot. It's not used for truck frames. Hollow Structural Section is welded tube. That's what your steel is, scavenged from a truck frame, and very likely mild, non-hardening steel. At the very least, it's unlikely it'll harden to knife range. Free isn't always so free.

Get some known steel.
 
Truck frames are definitely not made from high speed steel, which is what HSS stands for in the knife and machining world. While your piece of steel is likely high quality, it certainly lacks the carbon necessary to harden for a proper knife.

If you have a local blacksmith supply or even a Grainger, grab a piece of 1080, 1084, 80CRV2. With a decent heat treat and tempering, either would make you a serviceable knife.
 
Welcome to Shop Talk,
Order some known knife steel and use that. You will know exactly what alloy it is and the HT necessary to harden it.

A knife will need to be hardened after preliminary shaping. This requires heating to around 1500°F for most carbon steels and holding at that temperature for up to 10 minutes .... followed by a quench in a suitable quench oil.

Fill out your profile so we know where you live and a bit about you. It will help us with better answers. It will also let folks know people or places near you where you can get help, supplies, or HT done.

The stickys are full of good information. Reat the ones on metallurgy and making a knife for beginners.
 
Like everyone else said- Buy some known steel, it's worth it for the end result.
I buy mine from Alpha knife supply and it costs about $10 to get enough for one knife or two small ones (depending on the steel) Definitely worth it!
 
If I may say so, keep it as is. You may get your slags (football shoes) or skates to fit.

You cannot get your blade to fit by forcing, ever.
 
Welcome to Blade Forums, and welcome to knife making. Sounds like you're trying to start out with a relatively low budget, so I'll try to answer some of your questions accordingly.
As has already been stated, you almost certainly don't have a harden-able steel. There are a few pieces on a car or a truck that can be heat treated into a usable knife, but the frame isn't typically one of them.
That said, unless you know exactly what kind of steel you have, found steel is often a false economy. A basic carbon steel like 1084 is only around $1 per inch (sometimes less). Check out Alpha Knife Supply. They'll have what you need, including a nice assortment of handle materials. This way, you can start off with an annealed, straight and flat piece of steel that you can know an exact heat treat recipe for.
Recycled/found steel may seem cheaper, but even if it's free, you'll often spend more time (and money) dulling and breaking drill bits and saw blades, and cut off wheels, trying to beat it into submission, not to mention only being able to guess at a proper heat treat. Even if you get a decent knife out of it, it would have likely been cheaper to just buy a $10 piece of 1084.

You mentioned not changing colors while grinding/shaping. Just an FYI, but before heat treat, this really doesn't matter. You only want to watch your colors AFTER heat treat and temper.

For a basic heat treating set up, you can google "coffee can forge" for some ideas. You can do something similar with a small handful of soft firebricks. Maybe look up "simple firebrick forge". There are also some relatively cheap forges on Amazon and such, but I can't speak for how good they are. Most will likely need some modification.

Fill out your profile and let us know where you're located. There may be a local knife maker willing to help with your first heat treat or two. It may also be cheaper (at least initially) to send out for heat treat, though I can understand wanting to do it yourself.
 
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