Heat treating a sword

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Now that I have my oven built, I'm going to stick with CPM154 & AebL. But I have 3' of 1084 left that I'm thinking of making a sword with. What's the best way to go about heat treating? I would have to send it somewhere because I don't have the capabilities to HT 3' of steel or quench it for that matter.
Any tips?
 
Interesting. I've called Peters awhile back. They're very expensive unless you send in a very large quanity of blades.
 
Interesting. I've called Peters awhile back. They're very expensive unless you send in a very large quanity of blades.



"Very Expensive"
is a relative term.
If the sword comes out straight, hard, and not cracked, the price isn't expensive. If all your knives are perfectly HTed to exactly Rc60, and need very little post HT clean up, it isn't expensive. If the sword doesn't break in half on the first couple cuts, it isn't expensive.

When you finish the pre-HT work on a knife, set it in a box and start on another. When you have ten, send them to peters. You can get a couple hundred knives HTed for the price of a HT oven. Perfectly HTed knife blades ( especially stainless) for $5 or less each isn't expensive.
If I needed a Flu Shot, I would go to the cheapest doctor I could find. If I needed surgery, I would go to the best doctor I could find. That would be Peter's HT.

Paul Bos also does swords, IIRC.



All that said, a 36" sword is fun, but not really practical. Two 18" wakizashi or three 12" tanto would be much more doable and would likely come out better. In terms of salability, the multiple shorter swords or knives will be easier to sell, .... bring more money, ... than a longer single sword.





Now, for those who want to do a katana or wakizashi in carbon steel at home:

Using a forge with good temperature control and front and rear ports, one can HT any length blade.
Set up a long enough or deep enough quench tank with plenty of oil volume. Three to five gallons ( or more) is needed for a sword. The tank should be sturdily mounted or braced. A large oxygen/helium/nitrogen tank with the top cut off makes a great sword quench tank.
Get the forge running at low heat so you can try and maintain the blade at 1500F. Once the forge has been running at temp and is soaked, start "pumping" the blade in and out. The process will require watching the blade in the chamber for a good while, so wear the proper forge work protective UV/IR glasses ( AUR99 is what I use ). You push the blade through the forge until the tang is in the center, and pull it back until the tip is in the center. It takes time and getting a rhythm, but after a while, the whole blade can become evenly red. Have a friend help check with a magnet as it reaches non-magnetic. He should check at the mune, middle, and tip every few strokes. Once non-magnetic, really try hard for even color along the edge ( the spine is not as important). Heat about 50-75°F hotter than non-mag and immediately quench in the oil tank.

Tempering - The next thing that comes up is tempering a long blade. You can use your home oven and for some medium length blades put it in diagonally. On longer blades, place the blade in the oven with the excess sticking out of the top corner. The door will shut almost all the way. Fully pre-heat the oven and bake in this position for one hour at 450F. Turn it around and bake the part out of the oven for an hour. Cool off and repeat. Three tempers are a good idea when doing this method.

A couple tips on doing this:

Practice the quench and pumping with a sword-length bar of mild steel a few times to get it down before doing the actual sword blade. This will also warm the quench oil.

Pump faster in the middle of the blade and slower toward the ends so they spend about the same amount of time in the heat.
Use box jaw tongs with a keeper on the reins so you don't get hand cramps trying to grip the tongs too tight.
Go slow, and let the sword heat up slowly. The forge should be running at a low gas flow and whispering, not roaring.
This requires a full size forge. A paint can or other small forge won't work. The forge chamber will have to all get fully soaked and be glowing before you can do the pumping. Run the forge for 10-15 minutes at least. Obviously, the longer the forge the better, but a 14-16" forge can HT a 36" katana quite well with some practice.
Doing this at night or under shade on a cloudy day is best.
Silly as it sounds, make sure there is enough clearance over the quench tank to get the blade in. The tongs and blade can be over 50" long in many cases. Add that to a 40" or taller quench tank and you can't make a straight in plunge in some shops.
There can be considerable smoke and fire in a sword quench, do it outside if possible, and have the fire stuff and a hose handy.
 
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^Absolutely. Especially the advice about making a couple three shorter swords first. I would also suggest something single edged, so any edge-on warp that you can't fix will be less nuts making. Stacy probably has some advice for fixing edge-on warping as well, but I just avoid it if I can.
Once you've got your edge temper you can also draw the spine further with a torch or block of hot steel-this can allow a harder edge (should you want it) or just a tougher sword-it can be done with fullered double edged stuff too if you're veeery careful. Heat sink paste is also helpful.
In addition to box jaw tongs, a keeper on the reins is also helpful. This can take a bloody long time.
I generally limit myself to 26" blades or less for forge HT-longer can be done but I find it pretty unpleasant.
 
Thanks for catching the omission in my post. Somehow, the words "a keeper on the" didn't print between ".....tongs wit and so you don't get hand cramps......"
 
Some years ago I read excerpts from The Art of the Cutler on Bernard Levine's site. This series of books was written by a French master bladesmith & cutler in 1771. He described a method for heat treating swords that I have not seen mentioned much (if at all) in the contemporary bladesmithing community. I'm surprised more folks haven't tried this way, and would be curious to learn how well it works.

The hardening, which gives the final touch of quality to this material, must be done with all possible attention. For such a piece as this, do not use just any forge. Instead light, on the ground, a charcoal fire of sufficient size to surround and heat the entire piece. When the fire is burned down to coals, put the piece in the center and cover it completely with hot coals. Do not use a bellows, but only agitate the air with a piece of cardboard, or something equivalent. Pay attention that the blade heat uniformly throughout. As soon as it has reached a bright cherry color, plunge it into a big bucket of water, or a big cask of water if the hunting sword or saber is three feet long. Some people brag about certain other hardening methods which, if truth be told, do not have anything wrong with them.

http://www.knife-expert.com/p29-dama.txt
 
That is called a trench forge or pit forge. It is used to harden some Japanese swords. The time period of the article was a time of lesser carbon steels and no alloying. 1050-1060 was about as high carbon as a sword ever was. A simple "Get it red and quench in water" was the norm.

IIRC, they did a similar HT at Ashokan about 10 years ago.

The Japanese trench forge used in sword forging and yake-ire is pretty much the same, but the bellows pumps air in from below.

An improvised quench trough can be made the same way, using a tarp or oil cloth and digging a large trench. place cloth on hole and fill with water. Try really hard not to hit the bottom with the hot blade when quenching.
If the soil is hard clay, you can just dig the hole and fill it with water.
 
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