Heat treating

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Hi folks--I'm new to this site,but I think this is just where I can get a lot of great info. Has anybody out there had any success either using a small PARAGON CERAMICS KILN for heat treating,or building your own heat treat oven.
 
Mike,
I have been using a Paragon KM14D furnace for about 15 years and a KM9D for about 7 years. Both have served me well.
 
While I'm no expert, I have recently aquired a furnace "kiln" to heat treat with. I also bought a small paragon ceramic kiln that is top loader. I never got around to getting the top loader in operation and boy am i glad I didn't. The front loader like the Km 14 etc get plenty hot. Just like my thermolyne furnance does. I think it would be near impossible to get blades out of the top loader unless you had a long, long pair of tongs.
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and the thermal shock would probably crack every brick in it.

Paragon makes good stuff no doubt. But I found this furnace for less than $200.00. Complete with manual temperature control and thermometer/pyrometer.

It's only 9 inches deep but I am making folder so it works fine for now. Maybe when I sell enough I'll upgrade to a better furnace.


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Tony Huffman
thuffman@texinet.net
Sporting Clays & Shotguns ... my other bad habit!
 
I bought an "Even Heat" form Texas Knifemakers Supply. They were good to work with and answer my doub questions. The owners manuel is written for the ceramic trade and should be rewritten for the Knifemaker. It works great though and gets alot of use until I ran out of stainless foil wrap. Need to order more already. It is nice to do heat-treating at home. It is 18" deep and handy for the sizes of damascus bars I anneal.
 
I built my own from a design I got from larry Zoller. It cost about 12.00 bucks (not counting the torches that you can build)and I've done a dozen or so swords and maybe 20 knives. It's still alive and well.
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[This message has been edited by peter nap (edited 12-27-2000).]
 
A ceramic kiln would work fine for this application and would not crack and fall apart as Tony suggested. I'm a potter who has a lot of experience with raku firing and in turning old electric kilns into raku kilns. For those that don't know, raku is a special Japanese technique of removing hot pots from the kiln.

I don't know what temperature you're supposed to heat the various steels to, but I'm assuming it's probably a little different for each one. Using a pyrometric cone would certainly help hit the correct temp. For this type of firing you could just hang half of it over the edge of a brick within sight through the peephole and then wait for it to droop.

If you're doing a small blade or blades, try placing them high in the kiln on top of some bricks or on the highest shelf. Shouldn't be that hard to grab with a decent pair of tongs and some heavy welders gloves.

You might consider detaching the lid so that you can remove it completely and set it aside when it's time to pull the blade out. I usually add an extra handle on the opposite side. I found this to be really helpful in that there's no fumbling for a prop. If your kiln is a front loader then you're golden.

It's relatively easy to cut a hole in the side of the kiln and convert it from electric to propane. I can give more details if anyone's interested.

A note to Peter Nap: Watch out for ceramic fiber, dude. That stuff is really bad to breathe and like asbestos, does not come out of the lungs. I would wear a mask around that thing and try not to disturb it. Fiber gets really friable after it's been fired.

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Peter Atwood

email:fountainman@hotmail.com
 
Thanks Peter. I know it is a health risk. The forge has a door and I wear a mask also.

Another trick to determine tempering tempature is to use Temple Sticks. At 7 bucks each they are a real bargin. To determine the initial quench I just use a magnate.

The reason for the forge was to save the 65 dollars I was paying to have my blades heat treated. This is just a hobby for me. Now I forge and heat treat for the cost of propane and with one exception I can't tell the difference.

 
OK Peter, I'll bite. What are temple sticks and at 7 bucks each how many times can they be used? Is this like a grease pencil sort of thing that I'm dimly remembering from my blacksmithing days? I'm thinking that Centaur Forge might carry them.

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Peter Atwood

email:fountainman@hotmail.com
 
You remember correctly. They are like a crayon in different tempature ranges. When it the mark melts you are there.
Any good welding supply house has them.
 
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