Heeelllp! I've got ebay problems with 2000/Tigershark!

fulloflead

fulloflead

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I've got big problems!

Here's the short story:

I won an auction for $90 plus shipping for:
"SOG TIGER SHARK SHINY BLADE W/SHEATH 7 INCH"
See results at:
http://tinyurl.com/24ugl

I just happened to MISS the "7 inch" part of the auction!
It LOOKED like an old Carbon polished Tigershark. And was advertised as having a "splotch"

What arrived was a satin Seal 2000. I'm not even sure what I have. But it's definately used, sharpened a few times and the corners of the handle are shiney with wear. The serrations are a little folded-over, but I think I can fix it with a small steel.

I'm in (unhappy) negotions with the guy. He's not too keen with the idea of giving my money back, but I DID also gave him the option of giving SOME of my money back that would bring the price down to:
$63.00 plus shipping. I calculated this by subtracting 15% for the difference between models and another 15% for condition.

Would I be OK getting this knife for $63.00 plus shipping?

Somebody, PLEASE, tell me that this knife isn't a newer knife that someone polished the coating off of! Could it be?

If I DO get stuck with this knife, will SOG refurbish it for free? Will they do it for a reasonable price?
Will I be able to buy a kydex sheath from SOG for it.

ABOVE ALL...
READY FOR THIS?

Does anyone want to make me a trade or cash/trade deal where I can end up with a Tigershark like I wanted in the first place?

Somebody, throw me a bone. I'm pissed about this deal and I just want to turn it into something good without loosing too much money.
 
The Ebay seller and I reached an agreement and he sent me the proper sum of money I wanted to make the deal fair.

But I still want to know what, exactly, I have. Is this an old model or something that someone polished the coating off of? How can I tell?

Still, do you think SOG will refurbish it for me and sell me the kydex sheath for it, etc.
 
It looks like a SEAL 2000, and if it actually is a SEAL 2000 and you paid $63 for it, IMHO that's a fair and reasonable price. I bought my SEAL 2000 as a factory 2nd direct from SOG and it cost me a just few bucks more than that. So I'd say the pricing is right.
-- Chris@SOG can give ya all the scoop on a refurbish.
-- Loretta at SOG can take care of the sheath, I don't reckon that's any kind of problem.

As far as the blade coating, it didn't take me too long to scrub it off. I'm a knife user so I manage to remove/destroy any coating very quickly. Stropping also contributed to quickly removing the coating. So my SEAL 2000 is now nice and shiny.

I do like that sheath. The e-bay pic isn't clear, but are there 2 straps which secure the handle ?? If so, it is the same style I have for my SOG Tech II.

And sorry, I don't want to trade my Tigershark, it's my in-the-field favorite "do everything" carry knife.

Cheers,

Carl
 
Thanks.
Yes, two straps on the handle.

Did the 2000 ever come polished like this or do you think someone removed the coating?

I may just toss it up on the trade forum, but I want to make sure at least I can describe it accurately.
 
I haven't been around SOG's long enough to know if the SEAL 2000 was ever made in a "shiny" configuration.

Since you describe it's condition as used, and probably used a lot, I'd guess any coating has been worn away and/or otherwise removed.

I've read here at this Forum that the older SOG Tech II "became" the SEAL 2000, and as I understand it the Tech II never had blade serrations. So that's another reasonable indicator you've got a SEAL 2000 with the coating removed.

Cheers,

Carl

p.s. great sheath. No matter how hard I begged, Loretta wouldn't substitute one for a regular leather sheath when I recently bought a knife direct from SOG.
 
FullofLead,
can you send a better picture?
It looks like the SOG logo is in black...??? If it were polished it might show there.
I'll give some SOGGY contacts a call.
You CAN buy the Kydex sheath for it.

PS Loretta isn't there anymore... :(
 
The SEAL Knife 2000 never came in the configuration you're describing. The closest thing would be a SOG Tech II, but to the best of my knowledge, it never came with serrations. To see if it is at Tech II, look for Kraton handle (a softer, rubber material) and brass crossguard.

The attached picture is of the SOG Tech I (with 5" blade).

Loretta is no longer at SOG and Chris probably doesn't handle "refurbishing" issues. I'd suggest calling and talking to someone in Customer Service.
 

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Bobby B, looks like it has been buffed to me, but can't tell for sure by the pics, I kind of like that shiny blade.

I had a major blow out on my computer, emails down, everything down for a few days, using another for now. Just in case you did not know.

Fulloflead, nice knife and sheath, I bet it still does it's job. :D

Robbie Roberson ;)
 
Well, I'm even more confused now. The logo is indeed black which makes me think it wasn't coated before. The handle is harder - Zytel I think and no brass. 7" blade.

I cleaned up those pics a bit and put it up on the trade forum if you want to take another look or trade me and figure it out yourself. :D
 
here's another idea.... I once saw at some long-forgotten seller's website a SOG Seal Master, and the picture showed that sheath with it.

Ron,
you're the expert in all things SOG..... any reason it might be that model ?? or some deviant variant thereof ??


I downloaded the picture of the Seal Master & sheath, I'll send it over to wildmanh right now, he has the tools and technology to get it posted here.

Cheers,

Carl
 
I finally took a minute a looked at the pictures. I can say that I've seen more used SOG's in various stages of abuse than likely anyone else (maybe except Vinny@SOG). I don't think I've ever seen a 100% stripped SEAL Knife 2000, but that does look like what this one is. The knife cannot be recoated by the factory, but what they do to a knife where the coating is wearing thin, is strip the coating with a bead-blaster and leave a bead-blasted finish on the blade. I suppose they could "polish" it, but I've never seen that done to one.

The only reason I pointed to the Tech II was that you said the handle was shiny with wear and when reading it quickly, my brain thought of the brass crossguard. But I'm a man on medication (I'm at the tail end of a 10 day bout with pneumonia)!

I saw (I think it was in the For Trade post) that you thought it might be carbon steel. Nope. The SEAL Knife never came in a carbon version. The earlier versions of the Tigershark did.

Hope this has helped.
 
I'm going to change my trade post to indicate that it might be a knife that has had it's coating removed, but there isn't a SIGN of the old coating. If it WAS removed the person did a good job getting all of it and putting a nice satin finish on it. :confused:
 
Fulloflead, I agree with Ron, I have seen many buffed blades, and buffed many myself, this looks like a buffed blade on a Seal 2000, or someone has used ultra fine (600) grit sand paper, and then finished with polish or rouge.
If you will look close at where the handle starts, at edge of blade (where guard is normally), you might see some burn marks in handle, or a variation in the blade, near handle, where someone used a buffer or debur wheel up to the edge and stopped close to handle, and then finished with a different abrasive.
I have stripped many knives of their coating similar to this by using a debur wheel (takes about 10 minutes), but I had to stop close to handle, and finish by hand, because a debur wheel will melt handles. I think the blade looks good this way, and at least you don't have to worry about future scratches on finish.
Robbie Roberson ;)
 
Robbie Roberson said:
Fulloflead, I agree with Ron, I have seen many buffed blades, and buffed many myself, this looks like a buffed blade on a Seal 2000, or someone has used ultra fine (600) grit sand paper, and then finished with polish or rouge.
If you will look close at where the handle starts, at edge of blade (where guard is normally), you might see some burn marks in handle, or a variation in the blade, near handle, where someone used a buffer or debur wheel up to the edge and stopped close to handle, and then finished with a different abrasive.
I have stripped many knives of their coating similar to this by using a debur wheel (takes about 10 minutes), but I had to stop close to handle, and finish by hand, because a debur wheel will melt handles. I think the blade looks good this way, and at least you don't have to worry about future scratches on finish.
Robbie Roberson ;)
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Bingo! You called it exactly.

I have one of those big desk-magnifying glasses with the lamp inside. I just went and checked it out really well and the knife exhibits all the evidence you just stated. (Leave off the final rouge polish and you know exactly what this knife looks like.;) ) In fact, the grain very close to the handle goes across the blade while the grain on the rest of the knife goes with the blade like someone had to change their technique close to the handle. There's a TRACE of the black coating in the grain on the spine of the blade. It's odd that it's definately BLACK coating and not grey.

The only problem now is that I don't want this thing. (I WANTED a Tigershark!) I wish one of you were curious enough to make me a trade offer on it even for something other than a Tigershark and I'll continue my search for a Tigershark. ;)
 
New Pig Hunter said:
here's another idea.... I once saw at some long-forgotten seller's website a SOG Seal Master, and the picture showed that sheath with it.

Ron,
you're the expert in all things SOG..... any reason it might be that model ?? or some deviant variant thereof ??

I downloaded the picture of the Seal Master & sheath, I'll send it over to wildmanh right now, he has the tools and technology to get it posted here.

Cheers,
Carl
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Here is the picture Carl sent me of the Seal Master. Sorry I'm so late in posting it. Glad taxes are finally out of the way. :)

SOG_Seal_Master.jpg
 
FYI...SEAL Master = Tigershark. It's a renamed Tigershark sold through U.S. Cavalry. Exact same knife.
 
What steel was used in the older model Tigershark, without the serrations? What type sheath came with it?
 
ichor said:
What steel was used in the older model Tigershark, without the serrations? What type sheath came with it?
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IIRC it was SK5 carbon tool steel, and came with a nylon sheath... :)
 
I just bought an older Tigershark on ebay. Guy says he is the original owner and the knife has a few "minor blemishes". We'll see. Seller has 174 feedback....all positive. So, I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

The sheath is original and leather. The seller says he can't remember exactly but the knife is at least 10-12 years old, It has no serrations so, at this point, I'm assuming it is an SK-5 model. I figured that, no matter what model it is, I can't go very wrong for 66 bucks if it is in generally good shape.

I hope it is because I'm very excited about my first SOG. Not because it's a SOG, necessarily, but because it is a quality massive, carbon steel knife, with a blade shape that is, to my eye, practically perfect. And I've lusted after this carbon steel Tigersharp for a long time.

Don't get me wrong......I love my Recon Scout and Trailmaster, and would never part with them, but...let's face it......the Recon Scout is a Randall Number one on steroids, with a rubber handle, and the Trailmaster is just bigger. :p Neither have the lines or aesthetics of the Tigershark/Seal2000/SealPup.I'll let you all know what I think about it next week. Are there any Carbon steel Seal 2000 and Seal Pup?

Where can I get the kydex sheath for this thing?
 
ichor,

congrats on your Tigershark !! I hope you like it as much as I like mine, it's a great all-around knife in the field.

Cheers,

Carl
 
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