Help Dating this True Temper Flint Edge

[allquieton]

http://imgur.com/gallery/kN2gT47

Found this little gem today. 2 lbs 9 oz. Reads true temper flint edge kelly works.

Above this text it has a big 3 next to a small 3.

 

[crbnSteeladdict]

Found this little beauty today. It says True Temper Flint Edge Kelly Works. Above all this it has a big 3 and a small 3 next to it. It weighs 2lbs 9 oz.

Made after 1930. Does it have ridges inside the eye?
Are you sure it weights 2 lbs 9oz? There is a lot of steel missing(3lbs 12oz). Badly worn toe does not explain the weight discrepancy, unless it used to be double bit or Pulaski.

Top down picture of the eye would be very helpful.

 

[allquieton]

Made after 1930. Does it have ridges inside the eye?
Are you sure it weights 2 lbs 9oz? There is a lot of steel missing(3lbs 12oz). Badly worn toe does not explain the weight discrepancy, unless it used to be double bit or Pulaski.

Top down picture of the eye would be very helpful.

Yes the eye has ridges. Weighed on 2 scales so 2 lbs 9 oz is correct. I'll try to get another pic up later.

I was thinking the two 3's might mean 3 lbs 3oz for the original weight?

 

[trevitrace]

I also recently picked up a true temper flint edge but lacking the 'kelly works' stamp. Weighs 1.6# according to the bathroom scale, no other markings I could discern and no ridges inside the eye. Tried searching on here a bit but didn't turn up anything definitive of when it was produced or an explanation of the lack of Kelly stamp.

Thanks in advance for any info.

 

[allquieton]

ax true temper https://imgur.com/gallery/iAPXNWg

 

[crbnSteeladdict]

ax true temper https://imgur.com/gallery/iAPXNWg

Going by the shape of the eye it looks like it used to be Pulaski axe.

The eye ridges date this axe post 1959 https://patents.google.com/patent/US3090653

H. B. STUMP HAND TOOLS May 21, 1963 4 Sheets-Sheet 1 Filed July 2, 1959 INVENTOR. H y B. Sf'ump H. B. STUMP May 21, 1963 HAND TOOLS 4 Sheets-Sheet 2 Filed July 2, 1959 INVENTOR. Harry 5. 5 Tum O BY May 21, 1963 Filed July 2, 1959 H. B. STUMP HAND TOOLS 4 Sheets-Sheet 3 III/[III IN VENTOR.

Harry B. 57umf7 u I ATTO/Qify y 1963 H. B. STUMP 3,090,653

HAND TOOLS Filed July 2, 1959 4 Sheets-Sheet 4 Z Z T0 4 122 F /7 i IS! rif/C? INVENTOR. Harry 5. Sfump BY WM 4 ATTORNEY 3,090,653 HAND TOOLS Harry B. Stump, Charleston, W. Va., assignor to True Temper Corporation, Cleveland, Ohio, a corporation of Ohio Filed July 2, 1959, Ser. No. 824,600 4 Claims. (Cl. 306-33) This invention relates to tool heads and relates more particularly to improved means for attaching said heads to handles therefor and relates particularly to tools of the striking and edge tool type, such as axes, adzes, hatchets, hammers and the like.

An object of the present invention is to effectively secure handles to tools of the type referred to which is characterized by a firm union between the head and the handle so that danger of slippage of the head from the handle will be eliminated.-

Another object of the invention is to provide improved means for retaining wedges which may be driven into the end of a handle Within the said handle.

Still a further object of the invention is to provide improved means for providing an integral bond between the said wedges and the handle of the tool.

Another object of the invention is to provide improved means for securing the outer walls of the handle and the head of the tool together.

A still further object of the invention is to reinforce the attachment of the head and the handle at portions subject to the greatest torque or twisting force when the tool is in use.

Still a further object of the invention is to provide improved means for physically and chemically securing the head of the tool and the handle inserted therein together.

Another object of the invention is to provide an improved method for accomplishing the aforesaid objects.

Still a further object of the invention is to provide an improved means of attachment and improved method of attaching the tool handle and head together which will be inexpensive to manufacture and highly efiicient in use.

Other objects of the invention and the invention itself will become more readily apparent by reference to the accompanying description, in which description reference will be made to the appended drawings, in which drawmgs:




1. A METALLIC HEAD WITH A HANDLE RECEIVING EYE, A HANDLE HAVING AN END PORTION IN ENGAGEMENT WITH THE HEAD, SAID HEAD HAVING VERTICALLY EXTENDING RIBS ON THE INNER SURFACES OF THE EYE EMBEDDED BY THE ENGAGEMENT OF TH HANDLE IN THE WALLS OF THE HANDLE THEREBY FORMING A PHYSICAL INTERLOCK BETWEEN SAID EYE AND SAID HANDLE, AN OPENING EXTENDING THROUGH SAID HANDLE, SAID OPENING COMMUNICATING WITH THE TOP AND ENDS OF SAID END PORTION OF SAID HANDLE, BONDING MATERIAL DISPOSED IN SAID OPENING AND IN SAID SPACE BETEEN CONTIGUOUS EYE AND HANDLE PORTIONS AND BETWEEN ADJACENT RIBS WHEREBY THE HEAD IS BONDED TO THE HANDLE AND THE RIBS ACT AS END WALLS

I also recently picked up a true temper flint edge but lacking the 'kelly works' stamp. Weighs 1.6# according to the bathroom scale, no other markings I could discern and no ridges inside the eye. Tried searching on here a bit but didn't turn up anything definitive of when it was produced or an explanation of the lack of Kelly stamp.

Thanks in advance for any info.

http://www.yesteryearstools.com/Yesteryears Tools/American Fork & Hoe Co..html
http://www.yesteryearstools.com/Yesteryears Tools/Kelly Axe Mfg. Co. .html

 

[allquieton]

Going by the shape of the eye it looks like it used to be Pulaski axe.

The eye ridges date this axe post 1959 https://patents.google.com/patent/US3090653

H. B. STUMP HAND TOOLS May 21, 1963 4 Sheets-Sheet 1 Filed July 2, 1959 INVENTOR. H y B. Sf'ump H. B. STUMP May 21, 1963 HAND TOOLS 4 Sheets-Sheet 2 Filed July 2, 1959 INVENTOR. Harry 5. 5 Tum O BY May 21, 1963 Filed July 2, 1959 H. B. STUMP HAND TOOLS 4 Sheets-Sheet 3 III/[III IN VENTOR.

Harry B. 57umf7 u I ATTO/Qify y 1963 H. B. STUMP 3,090,653

HAND TOOLS Filed July 2, 1959 4 Sheets-Sheet 4 Z Z T0 4 122 F /7 i IS! rif/C? INVENTOR. Harry 5. Sfump BY WM 4 ATTORNEY 3,090,653 HAND TOOLS Harry B. Stump, Charleston, W. Va., assignor to True Temper Corporation, Cleveland, Ohio, a corporation of Ohio Filed July 2, 1959, Ser. No. 824,600 4 Claims. (Cl. 306-33) This invention relates to tool heads and relates more particularly to improved means for attaching said heads to handles therefor and relates particularly to tools of the striking and edge tool type, such as axes, adzes, hatchets, hammers and the like.

An object of the present invention is to effectively secure handles to tools of the type referred to which is characterized by a firm union between the head and the handle so that danger of slippage of the head from the handle will be eliminated.-

Another object of the invention is to provide improved means for retaining wedges which may be driven into the end of a handle Within the said handle.

Still a further object of the invention is to provide improved means for providing an integral bond between the said wedges and the handle of the tool.

Another object of the invention is to provide improved means for securing the outer walls of the handle and the head of the tool together.

A still further object of the invention is to reinforce the attachment of the head and the handle at portions subject to the greatest torque or twisting force when the tool is in use.

Still a further object of the invention is to provide improved means for physically and chemically securing the head of the tool and the handle inserted therein together.

Another object of the invention is to provide an improved method for accomplishing the aforesaid objects.

Still a further object of the invention is to provide an improved means of attachment and improved method of attaching the tool handle and head together which will be inexpensive to manufacture and highly efiicient in use.

Other objects of the invention and the invention itself will become more readily apparent by reference to the accompanying description, in which description reference will be made to the appended drawings, in which drawmgs:




1. A METALLIC HEAD WITH A HANDLE RECEIVING EYE, A HANDLE HAVING AN END PORTION IN ENGAGEMENT WITH THE HEAD, SAID HEAD HAVING VERTICALLY EXTENDING RIBS ON THE INNER SURFACES OF THE EYE EMBEDDED BY THE ENGAGEMENT OF TH HANDLE IN THE WALLS OF THE HANDLE THEREBY FORMING A PHYSICAL INTERLOCK BETWEEN SAID EYE AND SAID HANDLE, AN OPENING EXTENDING THROUGH SAID HANDLE, SAID OPENING COMMUNICATING WITH THE TOP AND ENDS OF SAID END PORTION OF SAID HANDLE, BONDING MATERIAL DISPOSED IN SAID OPENING AND IN SAID SPACE BETEEN CONTIGUOUS EYE AND HANDLE PORTIONS AND BETWEEN ADJACENT RIBS WHEREBY THE HEAD IS BONDED TO THE HANDLE AND THE RIBS ACT AS END WALLS

http://www.yesteryearstools.com/Yesteryears Tools/American Fork & Hoe Co..html
http://www.yesteryearstools.com/Yesteryears Tools/Kelly Axe Mfg. Co. .html

Thanks for the wealth of information. Its hard to imagine it used to be a pulaski-- it just doesnt look reworked to me. But i suppose it's possible.

 

[allquieton]

Are

Made after 1930. Does it have ridges inside the eye?
Are you sure it weights 2 lbs 9oz? There is a lot of steel missing(3lbs 12oz). Badly worn toe does not explain the weight discrepancy, unless it used to be double bit or Pulaski.

Top down picture of the eye would be very helpful.

Are you saying the original weight was 3 lbs 12 oz? How can you tell this? just curious.

 

[crbnSteeladdict]

Are


Are you saying the original weight was 3 lbs 12 oz? How can you tell this? just curious.

First digit stands for pounds, second for number of the quarters of a pound.
for example 2 2 = 2lbs 8oz, 4 1= 4lbs 4oz.
There are 3 types of axes that use this kind of eye: Double Bit, Pulaski, and Undercutter patterns.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/VTG-TRUE-TEMPER-KELLY-WORKS-FLINT-EDGE-PULASKI-HEAD-FS-FOREST-SERVICE-FIRE-TOOL-/224120528141?hash=item342e9fdd0d:g:t~sAAOSwvr9fOax2&nma=true&si=wTTLdVrmmoXoY4f1IkFVlutOrSg%3D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

 

[allquieton]

oh- thanks for the explanation.