Help! Fake Vintage Remington bullet R4466?

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Stan Dwyer

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I am looking at a vintage (1922-1940) R4466 Remington bullet knife, but I am not sure it is authentic. In the circle stamp on the tang it does not have the block letters "Remington UMC". Instead, it has just the name Remington with the lower angled part of the "R" going under the "e", similar to how I have seen it in print. Did Remington use this stamp on the older knives? Also, the "U" in USA looks thicker on the bottom than on the sides, does this mean it was not stamped on the blade at the factory?

Anything else I can look at to identify a fake?

Thanks for any help you can give on this
 
To know if it is authentic, you need to look at the *WAY* it is stamped as well as what the stamp says. And you need to look at the whole knife, not just the stamp. You need to post photos. Remington did use circle stamps with Remington written in script but without a photo it is not possible to say whether your knife is authentic.

I'd recommend buying the following books: Levine's Guide to Knives and Their Values, Goins' Encyclopedia of Cutlery Markings, Counterfeiting Antique Cutlery.
 
If you're talking about the ridiculous fake on eBay then... yes, it's a fake. It looks like someone told the seller and he posted the information on the listing so that everyone can see.
 
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You'd be better off if you posted this in the Bernard Levine sub-forum with pictures. Levine can pretty much authenticate any knife you have.
 
Here is an old Remington tang stamp chart.
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Thanks for your help, yes it was the knife on ebay. I was suspicious about it, which is why I asked. You obviously knew it right away, what was the obvious tip off, too new looking, price?, jigging? stamps? I am trying to educate myself for future finds, like flea markets.
 
Reading those books would help to prepare you. You should read them cover to cover before buying vintage knives. BRL will say to "read the knife". It takes time and some study of old knives. You need to know what real examples of the knives look like. You need to look at lots of good examples. There are lots of bad examples everywhere on the internet so finding another example doesn't mean that it's real. Good examples aren't always easy to find. Some fakes aren't as easy to identify as the one on Ebay. Sometimes some of the parts were real and others are replaced. A lot of the knives on Ebay were once heavily rusted but buffed so that they are shiny. In addition to removing all traces of the original finish on the metal surfaces, this can further complicate identifying replacement parts since buffing is also a finishing step on a parts knife. Bernard Levine has an ID forum here but he's not posting very often these days. He also has a paid appraisal service. It costs about as much as buying a buddy a beer at a bar.
 
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This thread was a great help today. The stamp is 23-33. I was not familiar with this particular model but knew the bullet shield was good.
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