Help ID antique short sabre sword

[Raiderbeater]

Got this cheap in an auction and don't know who the previous owner was. It appears to be some bubba who "repaired and cleaned" it. Would like to know what sword this is. If anyone can tell from the numbers or construction.

 

[Triton]

It appears to be a kindjal, and in fact appears to be one of these:

http://www.russianwarrior.com/STMMain.htm?1905weapon_Bebut.htm&1

 

[crimsonfalcon07]

Good eye, triton. I'd seen a picture of one of those in one of my sword books, but didnt know what it was called. Looks like a fun design.

 

[Stacy E. Apelt - Bladesmith]

When I see a sword with a very aged blade and a nearly pristine handle, red flags go up. The chances that it is a modern fake are very high, IMHO.

Places to look at are:
The amount of wear on the fittings vs the wear on the blade. Why isn't the brass worn like the steel? Why is the stamping and lettering so crisp, when brass is much softer than steel? Brass corrodes, too....why didn't it corrode like the blade?
The handle finish vs the blade condition. Why wasn't the handle beaten up and worn down like the steel. Look in the places where the fittings and escutcheons are on the handle and see if the finish is the same in the crevices as the open surfaces. It should not be.

 

[Triton]

When I see a sword with a very aged blade and a nearly pristine handle, red flags go up. The chances that it is a modern fake are very high, IMHO.

Places to look at are:
The amount of wear on the fittings vs the wear on the blade. Why isn't the brass worn like the steel? Why is the stamping and lettering so crisp, when brass is much softer than steel? Brass corrodes, too....why didn't it corrode like the blade?
The handle finish vs the blade condition. Why wasn't the handle beaten up and worn down like the steel. Look in the places where the fittings and escutcheons are on the handle and see if the finish is the same in the crevices as the open surfaces. It should not be.

All good rules of thumb, but we have to be careful because sometimes rules of thumb just stick us in the eye. Weird things happen sometimes, and condition is often only an indicator of... condition.

 

[Thomas Linton]

All good rules of thumb, but we have to be careful because sometimes rules of thumb just stick us in the eye. Weird things happen sometimes, and condition is often only an indicator of... condition.

Yes. We have heard it all before and from a respected source. However, these are not "rules of thumb" and the issue is not condition per se but relative condition of the parts of the item: an indicator "stick in the eye" has often cited himself in evaluating authenticity.