Help ID this sword

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I have a sword I got a couple years ago. I don't know much about it. I was told it may be Masonic.

It says on the blade. Presented in Carmen in December 1906. The handle is gold (?). With a lady in the center and two men or guards on each side of her.

It's about 3 ft long. That's about all I know. I think the Carmen is in reference to Oklahoma.


I would appreciate any help to ID this sword.

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I don't know what it is, but I've seen lots of Masonic swords - none of this variety.
I doubt it is a Masonic sword. Hopefully others will know and correct me if wrong.

RIch
 
There is something on the blade that says "lodge" and I think it's "42"

The name Carmen could be Carmen Oklahoma
 
I am away from my library but I can say there were many more fraternal organizations than the Free Masons. If it is inscribed as being presented, it is unlikely to be a degree sword of say, the Odd Fellows but they had some similar hilts. Albeit, their glaives were broader blades and lacked the ornamental counterguard.

Any and all markings, words or emblems on the blade need to be shown or fully transcribed to be helpful for other help you. Look closely at the base of the blade for any mark at all. It may be hiding under that counterguard.

Show a picture stright on at the end of the sword. If the tang is not shown through the knob on top, it may unscrew easily with padded pliers (please do not mar it with unpadded pliers or vise, lefty loosen righty tighty). There may be something on the tang and not the blade proper.

Cheers

GC
 
I cannot say what the inscription means but the blade marks look like controller and director marks of French manufacture (Chauterault or Klingenthal). It is possible it was adopted by another for a society such as the Odd Fellows and that might fit the role but it may also might have been one for the womens auxilliary, the Daughters of Rebekah. A presentation would make more sense for that use as Rebekah swprds seem few and far between.. Other Rebekah swords I have seen are generally slimmer and longer blades than the degree glaives for the IOOF.

The historical society for CArmen (university) might be able to shed some light, as well might the IOOF in that area.

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~okioof/

Could it be a 41 and not a 42?

The Rebekahs were formed a long time ago, so it may have been an older sword passed along, long before the presentation date.

I have still not had a chance to get to my desk and books but there are some thoughts. VEry clear pictures of the blade marks might match up in picture foiles I have for those French manufacturers. I do not believe it was an American made sword.

Cheers

GC
 
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