Help identify which cutler made this pen knife for Hibbard Spencer Bartlett & Co?

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My father gave me this knife not too long ago. It was one that his grandfather gave to him when he was only 13 years old. It was already heavily used and clearly not new when he received it. This knife is not for sale and I do not wish to obtain the value of this knife. I just would like to learn more about the history behind it. If I'm breaking any rules, my apologies and mods please delete this post.

I had read that HSB used the same tang stamp from 1855-1960. Just based on the condition of the knife and the age of my father / great grandfather, my guess is it is closer to the 1960 range than the 1855 range; perhaps, around 1930/1940. It seems the best way to try to narrow down a date further is by trying to determine who made the knife for them as they didn't make any knives themselves. Apparently, their knives were often made by Ulster, Camillus, New York Knife, or Schrade. I'm not familiar enough with these companies to be able to tell who made it just from looking at it. But, I think some here may be able to help! To my eyes, it doesn't look like any of the Schrades I own, but I don't own any of the other cutlers knives to compare with.

A few things to note. I'm actually quite impressed with the fit and finish on this knife. Springs are flush in the open, closed, and halfstop positions. It is not under bladed. There seems to be little blade rub. It is a single spring construction. The blades and backspring appear to be carbon steel. And the snap on this thing is quite nice; maybe a 6 on both blades. There is also a swedge on both blades, but only on one side of each blade. The swedge is on the side opposite the nail nick. I think these swedges might be key in determining the true manufacture of this knife. I also found the middle bolster thing quite odd... not something I've seen on many knives. I also don't see any pattern number stamped on the knife.

Pictures below and any information you guys can tell me about this knife that was once used by my great grandfather would be greatly appreciated!! For no good reason, my bet is on this knife being made by New York Knife Company, but I have nothing to back that up. Thanks everyone!

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My father gave me this knife not too long ago. It was one that his grandfather gave to him when he was only 13 years old. It was already heavily used and clearly not new when he received it. This knife is not for sale and I do not wish to obtain the value of this knife. I just would like to learn more about the history behind it. If I'm breaking any rules, my apologies and mods please delete this post.

I had read that HSB used the same tang stamp from 1855-1960. Just based on the condition of the knife and the age of my father / great grandfather, my guess is it is closer to the 1960 range than the 1855 range; perhaps, around 1930/1940. It seems the best way to try to narrow down a date further is by trying to determine who made...
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Thanks for the page! I didn't know who was most familiar. I did look around some more after posting this and think that my gut might've been right; that this was made by New York Knife Company. Here is a pen knife I found made by them that seems to have a very similar swedge. One thing I did also notice is that this New York Knife Company pen knife has a pattern number stamped on it whereas mine does not.

 
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And whoa.... I had never posted a "question" before. But, this topic layout is pretty crazy lol Wish I would've posted it as a regular post now 😕😣
 
I'm still not sure if NYKC made this knife or not. But, I did find more examples of HSB & Co knives with pattern numbers stamped on them. Perhaps, because mine does not have a pattern number, it would imply it is of an older age? If it is indeed made by NYKC, that would make it pre-1931. I wonder if this knife has been in my family longer than I thought. Maybe my great grandfather was given this knife by his father.

I also found more examples of NYKC swedges that lead me to believe my knife indeed may have been made by NYKC. I'm sure there are other cutlers with similar swedging, but the similarities are astounding.

 
My father gave me this knife not too long ago. It was one that his grandfather gave to him when he was only 13 years old. It was already heavily used and clearly not new when he received it. This knife is not for sale and I do not wish to obtain the value of this knife. I just would like to learn more about the history behind it. If I'm breaking any rules, my apologies and mods please delete this post.

I had read that HSB used the same tang stamp from 1855-1960. Just based on the condition of the knife and the age of my father / great grandfather, my guess is it is closer to the 1960 range than the 1855 range; perhaps, around 1930/1940. It seems the best way to try to narrow down a date further is by trying to determine who made the knife for them as they didn't make any knives themselves. Apparently, their knives were often made by Ulster, Camillus, New York Knife, or Schrade. I'm not familiar enough with these companies to be able to tell who made it just from looking at it. But, I think some here may be able to help! To my eyes, it doesn't look like any of the Schrades I own, but I don't own any of the other cutlers knives to compare with.

A few things to note. I'm actually quite impressed with the fit and finish on this knife. Springs are flush in the open, closed, and halfstop positions. It is not under bladed. There seems to be little blade rub. It is a single spring construction. The blades and backspring appear to be carbon steel. And the snap on this thing is quite nice; maybe a 6 on both blades. There is also a swedge on both blades, but only on one side of each blade. The swedge is on the side opposite the nail nick. I think these swedges might be key in determining the true manufacture of this knife. I also found the middle bolster thing quite odd... not something I've seen on many knives. I also don't see any pattern number stamped on the knife.

Pictures below and any information you guys can tell me about this knife that was once used by my great grandfather would be greatly appreciated!! For no good reason, my bet is on this knife being made by New York Knife Company, but I have nothing to back that up. Thanks everyone!

vOqJ1NL.jpg


F4aUyEm.jpg

lzxu38z.jpg
I have a Robeson pen knife identical to your HSB
My father gave me this knife not too long ago. It was one that his grandfather gave to him when he was only 13 years old. It was already heavily used and clearly not new when he received it. This knife is not for sale and I do not wish to obtain the value of this knife. I just would like to learn more about the history behind it. If I'm breaking any rules, my apologies and mods please delete this post.

I had read that HSB used the same tang stamp from 1855-1960. Just based on the condition of the knife and the age of my father / great grandfather, my guess is it is closer to the 1960 range than the 1855 range; perhaps, around 1930/1940. It seems the best way to try to narrow down a date further is by trying to determine who made the knife for them as they didn't make any knives themselves. Apparently, their knives were often made by Ulster, Camillus, New York Knife, or Schrade. I'm not familiar enough with these companies to be able to tell who made it just from looking at it. But, I think some here may be able to help! To my eyes, it doesn't look like any of the Schrades I own, but I don't own any of the other cutlers knives to compare with.

A few things to note. I'm actually quite impressed with the fit and finish on this knife. Springs are flush in the open, closed, and halfstop positions. It is not under bladed. There seems to be little blade rub. It is a single spring construction. The blades and backspring appear to be carbon steel. And the snap on this thing is quite nice; maybe a 6 on both blades. There is also a swedge on both blades, but only on one side of each blade. The swedge is on the side opposite the nail nick. I think these swedges might be key in determining the true manufacture of this knife. I also found the middle bolster thing quite odd... not something I've seen on many knives. I also don't see any pattern number stamped on the knife.

Pictures below and any information you guys can tell me about this knife that was once used by my great grandfather would be greatly appreciated!! For no good reason, my bet is on this knife being made by New York Knife Company, but I have nothing to back that up. Thanks everyone!

vOqJ1NL.jpg


F4aUyEm.jpg

lzxu38z.jpg
My father gave me this knife not too long ago. It was one that his grandfather gave to him when he was only 13 years old. It was already heavily used and clearly not new when he received it. This knife is not for sale and I do not wish to obtain the value of this knife. I just would like to learn more about the history behind it. If I'm breaking any rules, my apologies and mods please delete this post.

I had read that HSB used the same tang stamp from 1855-1960. Just based on the condition of the knife and the age of my father / great grandfather, my guess is it is closer to the 1960 range than the 1855 range; perhaps, around 1930/1940. It seems the best way to try to narrow down a date further is by trying to determine who made the knife for them as they didn't make any knives themselves. Apparently, their knives were often made by Ulster, Camillus, New York Knife, or Schrade. I'm not familiar enough with these companies to be able to tell who made it just from looking at it. But, I think some here may be able to help! To my eyes, it doesn't look like any of the Schrades I own, but I don't own any of the other cutlers knives to compare with.

A few things to note. I'm actually quite impressed with the fit and finish on this knife. Springs are flush in the open, closed, and halfstop positions. It is not under bladed. There seems to be little blade rub. It is a single spring construction. The blades and backspring appear to be carbon steel. And the snap on this thing is quite nice; maybe a 6 on both blades. There is also a swedge on both blades, but only on one side of each blade. The swedge is on the side opposite the nail nick. I think these swedges might be key in determining the true manufacture of this knife. I also found the middle bolster thing quite odd... not something I've seen on many knives. I also don't see any pattern number stamped on the knife.

Pictures below and any information you guys can tell me about this knife that was once used by my great grandfather would be greatly appreciated!! For no good reason, my bet is on this knife being made by New York Knife Company, but I have nothing to back that up. Thanks everyone!

vOqJ1NL.jpg


F4aUyEm.jpg

lzxu38z.jpg
I have a Robeson Pen Knife that looks identical. Model 722073. Tang stamp c. 1910-1921.
 
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I'm pretty certain the knife wasn't made by NYK. They never made a split handled knife. The swedge is a very common drawn swedge with that style found on the inside edge of many multi bladed knives. I think bpack20 is correct, definitely looks like a Robeson 722073.

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Eric
 
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I agree with Eric!! Robeson was capable, and made many high quality knives.
The swedges were inside, facing each other, and helped insure the blades closed smoothly, especially after wear and mild distortion that could occur with rough use!!
The origin of the swedge!!! 😁
 
I have a Robeson pen knife identical to your HSB


I have a Robeson Pen Knife that looks identical. Model 722073. Tang stamp c. 1910-1921.
That would seem to be around the time frame I'd think this knife was made, based solely on the information my father gave me. He estimated 1930's or so just based on his grandfather's age.

I'm pretty certain the knife wasn't made by NYK. They never made a split handled knife. The swedge is a very common drawn swedge with that style found on the inside edge of many multi bladed knives. I think bpack20 is correct, definitely looks like a Robeson 722073.

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Eric
WOW... that does look exactly like mine! I greatly appreciate everyone's help in obtaining more information about this knife!! It's hard to believe my dad held on to his first every pocket knife after all these years. And, that it was one given to him when he was a child by his grandfather! It was clearly used when my father received it. So, his grandfather had likely already used it for quite some time as apparently he always bought new and never used.

What is handle material on your knife,Linthicum and Eric.thanks
I honestly am not certain. It has a mother of pearl like appearance. But, I don't know of anyway to determine if it is real mother of pearl or not.


Thanks again everyone!! I almost entirely forgot about this thread 😂 I really appreciate learning more about this knife!
 
That would seem to be around the time frame I'd think this knife was made, based solely on the information my father gave me. He estimated 1930's or so just based on his grandfather's age.


WOW... that does look exactly like mine! I greatly appreciate everyone's help in obtaining more information about this knife!! It's hard to believe my dad held on to his first every pocket knife after all these years. And, that it was one given to him when he was a child by his grandfather! It was clearly used when my father received it. So, his grandfather had likely already used it for quite some time as apparently he always bought new and never used.


I honestly am not certain. It has a mother of pearl like appearance. But, I don't know of anyway to determine if it is real mother of pearl or not.


Thanks again everyone!! I almost entirely forgot about this thread 😂 I really appreciate learning more about this knife!

It's really impressive that you have a beautiful heirloom that's been passed down through several generations like that. It's a fine knife for sure. I'd say it's almost certainly mother of pearl.

Eric
 
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