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viva la

viva la

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.22s suck :D ;)

Perosnally, out of that list, I'd go for the Smith. The Ruger is bulky for what it is and doesn't fit that great. They took a 10/22 and forced an AR to mate with it.

No experience with the Colt, but I know that Colt has had some issues in quality control lately and you're paying for a name (kind of like Armalite)

The Smith feels good, it's light, and very easy to take apart since it's an AR style. Plus, they offer Real Tree APG on the Smith and it looks pretty cool :D


Or, you could get a .223 lower, and a CMMG .22 upper that way if you'd ever want a .223 all you'd have to get is the upper and not a complete rifle.
 
M67 said:
.22s suck :D ;)

Perosnally, out of that list, I'd go for the Smith. The Ruger is bulky for what it is and doesn't fit that great. They took a 10/22 and forced an AR to mate with it.

No experience with the Colt, but I know that Colt has had some issues in quality control lately and you're paying for a name (kind of like Armalite)

The Smith feels good, it's light, and very easy to take apart since it's an AR style. Plus, they offer Real Tree APG on the Smith and it looks pretty cool :D


Or, you could get a .223 lower, and a CMMG .22 upper that way if you'd ever want a .223 all you'd have to get is the upper and not a complete rifle.
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I haven't researched that, but wouldn't it be much more expensive? I'm really looking for something to take out plinking and just have fun with....

I am leaning towards the S&W just wanted to get some opinions.
 
I owned a S&W MP 15 22. One word....jamamatic. I tried at least 20 different brands of ammo and everything jammed mostly with extraction failures. I researched the problem and found that many owners were having the same issue. There were several "fixes" posted on forums and YouTube which I tried and did improve the problem some. Finally returned it to the factory. They installed all new springs and tweaked things some what. Lowered the rate of failure to extract to about 1 in every 5. Traded it off for a M&P 15 .223. No problems with that weapon whatsoever.

Colts are hard to disassemble for cleaning and as stated have had some qc issues.

No experience with the Sig rifle, but they are a little high priced IMO.

No experience with the Ruger, but its more or less a 1022 in semi AR clothing. Never had any problems with my 1022's.

My Opinion? Buy a good quaility .223 and get your self a 22 conversion kit. It wont be the most accurate rifle, but will serve well for plinking. And you will have 2 guns in one. I am currently researching conversion kits to do this myself.
 
red1965 said:
I owned a S&W MP 15 22. One word....jamamatic.
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Really? In the gun shop I work at we've sold many of these and I've never heard that. Do you think it was the bolt/springs or maybe the magazine?


As for not having any problems with a 10/22, I haven't either. I got it when I was 9 or 10 and have put over 5000 rounds through it, the only issue I've ever had is a loose fitting aftermarket banana clip would jam every now and them if it got tilted, but Ruger came out with a 25 round mag so I'm looking for one of those.
 
red1965 said:
My Opinion? Buy a good quaility .223 and get your self a 22 conversion kit. It wont be the most accurate rifle, but will serve well for plinking. And you will have 2 guns in one. I am currently researching conversion kits to do this myself.
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At over 2x what I would like to spend. And thats not including the conversion kit.
 
viva la said:
At over 2x what I would like to spend. And thats not including the conversion kit.
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Okay, cost.

GSG (German Sporting Goods) makes a lot of military style .22s that I've really not heard any problems about at about the same price as a 10/22 or a little more.

IF it doesn't have to look tactical, look at 10/22s. The basic carbine model is $287 I think or so, they're a tried and true design with really no flaws.
 
Buy the Ruger.

But for full disclosure purposes, I am a proud 10/22 owner and greatly biased :thumbup:
 
M67 said:
Really? In the gun shop I work at we've sold many of these and I've never heard that. Do you think it was the bolt/springs or maybe the magazine?


As for not having any problems with a 10/22, I haven't either. I got it when I was 9 or 10 and have put over 5000 rounds through it, the only issue I've ever had is a loose fitting aftermarket banana clip would jam every now and them if it got tilted, but Ruger came out with a 25 round mag so I'm looking for one of those.
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Most of what I found out was that it was a spring problem. I had 3 S&W mags and they all did the same thing, so dont think it was mag related. First thing the factory said was ammo problem.....until I told them of at least 15 different brands/ type that I had used.

+1 for the 1022....cant be beat in my opinion


M67 said:
Okay, cost.

GSG (German Sporting Goods) makes a lot of military style .22s that I've really not heard any problems about at about the same price as a 10/22 or a little more.

IF it doesn't have to look tactical, look at 10/22s. The basic carbine model is $287 I think or so, they're a tried and true design with really no flaws.
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See above...lol

viva la said:
At over 2x what I would like to spend. And thats not including the conversion kit.
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Just trying to give you another option.:) The tactical look is cool for a 22, but not very practical for anything else. I bought the Smith 22 to save on the cost of training with a .223 (which was a Colt Match HBAR at the time). Could you wait and save up for the .223 and conversion kit, or just really dead set on a 22?
 
if you go with a conversion unit in a 5.56/.223 barrel do not expect outstanding accuracy... the bore diameter is oversize, twist rate is too fast, and you have the jump from the conversion insert to the leade area of the chamber... not the fault of the conversion, but with the features of the original barrel... I installed a CMMG drop in kit in a 16" carbine prior to the Fort Benning 3 gun match in 09, and put about 1100 rounds thru it... I had no malfunctions from day one (CCI MiniMag)...however, the inside was really gunked up, and a good deposit of lead was on the rear wiper of my comp.... for FB3G 2010, since it is blow back anyway, I removed the gas tube and covered the gas port with a stainless screw clamp....about 1000 rounds and much cleaner... accuracy was no better than 3" at 50m... ok for work on steel but nothing to write home about... after 2010 I purchased the dedicated CMMG .22lr barrel and put it on a flat top upper...works very well.... accuracy is about 3/8" for 5 shots at 35m out of a 1x reflex sight with a 6min dot... did not get the bolt hold open device...

I have a 10/22 built for Chevy Truck Sportsman's competition that has outstanding accuracy

several of my 3gun shooting friends have the SW 22 and unlike red1965 have not had any recurring problems... it just doesn't duplicate the weight of their game guns....

most .22lr autoloader problems can be cured with a little oil and the use of a high velocity cartridge provided the feed lips of the magazine are adjusted properly

if you have any specific questions on the CMMG or 10/22 please ask
 
Not trying to steal the OP's thread, but a question for Les....

Do you feel I would be better off not getting a conversion and trying to find a dedicated upper? I am just going to use it for practice and low cost training. I, like yourself, have a built 1022 that I use when accuracy is needed.3" at 50 meters (or 50 yards for that matter) for the conversion kit is ok with me. What I am concerned with is the cleaning issue. I dont want to foul up the .223 to the point of it being a nightmare to clean. Opinion?
 
red1965....the conversion unit was on my back up carbine....the hard deposit build up was primarily in the discharge area around the gas tube in the top of the receiver as there was no regular bolt key to contain it... also on the .22 bolt itself ....it cleaned out relatively easily with brake cleaner and soft brush...I did not have a long "pipe cleaner" to run through the gas tube, but the build up in my comp (a modified Mickulek) led me to believe it was pretty dirty... the comp was clean after the first match fired with .223 ammo.... the following year the build up was 1/4 the previous as it did not come from the gas tube....I did not shoot any .223 alternatively between use of the .22lr conversion to help clean it out... I purposely did not clean it between sessions to see what the build up would be...

how much do you practice? I used it to work on left - right transitions between sides of a barricade (like the Highsmith Rifle Drill, Viking Tactics) the local club here allows sub minor caliber rifles to be shot at the short pistol range they use for monthly 3gun matches....I don't but may in the future if I can get my friends to do so

I have about $185 in the original conversion unit with 2 magazines
$100 for the dedicated .22lr barrel and feed ramp from CMMG
$100 for flat top upper from Bravo Co
picked up the full float tube off the prize table, but would need a gas block to put together with delta ring and regular hand guards if you don't have a couple pair in the junk box

unlike the plastic models, it has the same weight as a regular .223 gun, and allows me to use one of my lower receivers with a familiar match trigger... which was a big consideration

I did not get a bolt hold open device... I practice mostly on a private range, and really don't have a problem with moving back to the loading bench with a magazine in place that holds the bolt open
 
I have the Smith and the Sig. Both are very good. Go with the Smith if you want an AR. I like the Sig better.
 
The Colt M4 .22 is made by Walther, not Colt. Gun Blast did a review of it here: Gun Blast Colt M4 .22 Review. Love the look and feel of the Colt, but have not gotten the chance to shoot it yet. Same with the Ruger.
 
to the OP - if you're not hooked on the "AR look", just get a stock 10/22 and accessorize as you go. use the $$ you save to stock up on magazines and ammo.
 
I don't think that you would have a problem with any of the guns that you have listed. If your not set on a tactical looking gun I'd say get a 10/22 everyone should have one! The great thing about the 10/22 is that you can pretty much make it look any way you want. There are many different accessories made for 10/22's.
 
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