Help Requested Choosing 1st Randall

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I have been looking at the Randalls on the AGR website. I want more of a Hunter/General Utility style, not a Fighter.
Both Model 8 and Model 5 look to have the same blade profile/grind to me.
Is there a difference ?
Models 3 & 7 also look similar to each other. is there a difference ?
All of these are in O-1 which AG says is hardened to Rc53-54. Is this correct ? seems rather soft to me.
And finally, is there another Model which those who have experience using, would recommend i also look at ?
thanks, roland
 
Roland, you wrote:
I have been looking at the Randalls on the AGR website. I want more of a Hunter/General Utility style, not a Fighter.
For all practical purposes, the main difference between a hunting and fighting knife is the single versus double hilt. Knives that come with a double hilt can often be ordered with a single hilt, and vice versa. If you haven't done so already, request a copy of the current Randall Made Knives catalog and price list, which generally arrives within a week. See: https://www.randallknives.com/catalogrequest.php
Both Model 8 and Model 5 look to have the same blade profile/grind to me.
Is there a difference?
The #8 has a slightly wider blade, and the top cutting edge is sharpened. The #5-4" has a narrower blade, and the top edge is not sharpened. The #8 is available with only one blade length, specifically four inches. The #5 is available in five blade lengths. The four-inch version has a 3/16" thick blade, and the other four (5-, 6-, 7-, and 8-inch) have 1/4" thick blades. The #8 has a 3/16" blade.
Models 3 & 7 also look similar to each other. Is there a difference?
They are quite similar, and differ mainly in size and blade thickness (1/4" versus 3/16").
All of these are in O-1 which AG says is hardened to Rc53-54. Is this correct? Seems rather soft to me.
A.G. Russell certainly seems to be fixated on ordering only carbon steel blades. Personally, I prefer stainless steel, if it can be specified. Some Randalls are available only in stainless steel, and some are available only in carbon steel.
And finally, is there another Model which those who have experience using, would recommend i also look at?
This is the "can of worms" part, because there is no one perfect knife. My definition of a close-to-perfect knife will differ from yours.

First, don't fixate on the A.G. Russell website. There are many more authorized Randall dealers through which to order. Some can get you a Randall that you choose, with the exact options that you specify, within six months, while others can take up to two years. If you order direct, the current wait is five years.

Second, there are some options that are not specified in the catalog nor price list, but can otherwise be specified for some models. Specifying a #6 Grind (available only on some knives, such as the #4-6" carbon or stainless), Squared Top Single Hilt (normally the top of the single hilt is rounded), or alternate Spacers (all one color, such as black, or black+aluminum or black+brass; the standard spacer colors are red, white, and blue) is possible. The first two, if possible for the model and blade length you selected, are no-charge options, meaning that they don't add to the price, and don't consume one of the five chargeable options to which you are limited. The last one is generally a $10 option.

Third, many authorized dealers have what are referred to as Dealer Specials. These are Randalls that are made specifically for that dealer, and can be ordered only through that dealer. Although not a complete list, here are some dealer specials:

Tom Clinton Special = Gary Clinton (aka, Clinton Knives)
Bowles Skinner = Rick Bowles
Large & Small Sasquatch = Doug Kenefick
Buxton Fighter = Wayne Buxton
Nordic Special = Nordic Knives

Fourth, you can find pre-made Randalls at various sources, such as authorized dealers, other dealers, and venues such as eBay. You generally pay a premium over current catalog price, but once in a while a gem turns up at the right price.

Fifth, there are two basic materials for the hilt: brass and nickel silver. Brass is generally the default, and specifying nickel silver is an option. Between the two, I prefer nickel silver. I prefer brass only with an Ironwood handle. You can also specify Pure Silver, but you need to contact Doug Cream to order the material (it's not cheap), and have it supplied to the dealer through whom you are ordering the knife. Brass is brass, and nickel silver has a very subtle yellow hue, but generally looks silver. Pure silver is, well, silver, with no yellow hue at all.

An excellent utility knife is their latest model, the #28, introduced this year. The options that you can specify are limited, but for a utility knife, simpler is better. If you want something similar, but a tad more beefy, #15 with a single hilt would be a good choice.
 
Ken, my sincere thanks for your most helpful reply. i am not new to knives, but i am new to Randalls and it's a rather esoteric sub-set of knives that is taking me awhile to get oriented in the large array of possiblities.
you did not correct the 53-54 Rc of the O-1, so i am assuming that is correct.
based on what you say, i will look for a stainless version. i plan to use the knife so a stainless will remain looking good for much longer. also i don't want to sharpen as much as a 53-54 would entail.
at this point i am favoring a stacked leather handle with a lanyard hole. very clean and traditional look.
i want to buy one now, not order. the wait might be more time than i've got, and none of us knows what our interests or abilities will be 5 years hence.
i have found 2 available ones i like, but will not post the links here as it may contravene forum rules.
PM inbound.
thanks again, roland
 
Roland,

If you want, please send the links to me, which will give me an idea about what you're looking for. I may be able to find alternatives through other venues. My email address is: lunde@adobe.com
 
All of these are in O-1 which AG says is hardened to Rc53-54. Is this correct ? seems rather soft to me.

A couple of years back I mentioned on a forum that I believed Rockwell hardness for all Randall's steels was in the 55 to 57 area, with stainless blades a little harder than tool steel blades.
Scott (Randall shop boss) confirmed that this was correct. Of course, there could have been changes since 2007...
-Steve
 
rprocter for a general usage/hunter you might like the mod 26 Pathfinder.The O-1 steel is something you might look at also,I have Randalls in both steels and the O-1 is a better steel for actual performance,but the stainless is preferred for folks that never use their blades or for those who cringe at the thought of a tarnished blade.You will also find yourself sharpening or steeling more with the 440 steel to maintain the edge.

Another good point for the Pathfinder is the pouch style sheath that is easier to sheath/unsheath the knife one handed without having to worry about cutting the keeper strap.
 
Thanks for the help here. i'm still learning about all the options that can be incorporated into each model, and looking for the "right" one for me, part of the difficulty is there are more than one that would be excellent.
comes down to: 25-5 or 6, 27 or maybe 26, and of these perhaps the first i see with matching hardware.
i'll post the knife when deal is done.
roland
 
What are you going to use it for? Cleaning game, fish, camp food , camp chores?? Bart RKS#132
 
The #25-6 really is a large, heavy knife; the #26 (even with a #25 handle), is a fairly small, petite knife; the #27 has a pronounced trailing edge which may, IMO, prove to be a limitation for some tasks...
 
I'm just wanting a Randall. i have about 50 Custom FBs, many of which i have used once or twice just for the pleasure of the experience.
I want a Randall to get whatever experience it is that so obviously pleases people.
Randalls i think are best known as rather large impressive knives, so i would like a typical example, but not a Fighter style.
i do hunt a lot, so a Camp or Hunter style will do and i'll use it for fun. if it becomes a favorite, then i'll keep using it for whatever it's intended uses are.
i do like a Drop Point for a dedicated flesh only hunting knife.
i am watching one on ebay, that after looking at 100's, and with most helpful guidance from Ken, i have taken an instant liking to. always a good sign.
i will post back as soon as my Randall number one is secured.
r
 
JFI, AG Russell will order a Randall to your specifications. You're not limited to the exact knives he has listed. There might be some limitations to what you can get, but a while back I order a model 14 with a stainless steel blade, curved nickle silver guard, and a griffin handle. This configuration is not a standard offering through AG Russell. The best part? It took only three months beteen the time I ordered it and the time I received the knife.
 
JFI, AG Russell will order a Randall to your specifications. You're not limited to the exact knives he has listed. There might be some limitations to what you can get, but a while back I order a model 14 with a stainless steel blade, curved nickle silver guard, and a griffin handle. This configuration is not a standard offering through AG Russell. The best part? It took only three months beteen the time I ordered it and the time I received the knife.

thanks deep!
 
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