Help with an old Schrade Walden?

Joined
Nov 21, 2010
Messages
1,832
I've posted this in the traditional forum and Levine's. Probably should put it here for Schrade fans. I got this knife recently. Another member was kind enough to lead me to another thread where there was an ad for the knife. 1946, said it was a knife for diplomats, bankers, etc (rich folk). Second post. Here are pics of the actual knife and I will link the other thread which has the rest of the info I have. Many thanks to Eric or I would know nothing.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/sh...an#post8089765 --- second post here

Tang:
Schrade
Walden
NY USA

Help? Thanks!

DSCF5518.jpg

DSCF5520.jpg

DSCF5522.jpg



Originally Posted by ea42
That's defintiely the real deal LKJW, had my eye on it myself. Here's a link to another, see post #11 if you're not sent to it directly. There's a copy of a Fortune add for that particular knife as well up at post #2 as well. It was actually a holdover from the Schrade Cut.Co. days:

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/sh...an#post8089765

Eric
Eric, thank you for this. Awesome. I searched and searched...guess I didn't know the terminology. I don't know how much it is worth now, but it will go to my daughter someday. If it cost 125 bucks in 46...definitely the same knife...says 1/20 10 K GF on the bail. Maybe I should get this one insured. Well, at least my wife is not mad I got this one.

It's a thing of beauty, too.
 
Last edited:
Someone please correct me if necessary; I believe GF means gold-filled, or in other words gold plated?
 
Someone please correct me if necessary; I believe GF means gold-filled, or in other words gold plated?

It's a far thicker plating than normal gold-plated but it's a layer none-the-less. Here's wiki's page on gold filled: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_filled_jewelry and another http://www.mscompany.net/what%20is%20goldfilled.htm

"1/20 10 K GF" means (correct me if I'm wrong) that the knife is plated in 10K gold and the weight of the gold is at least 1/20th the weight of the item.

I was watching this auction too and nearly let the big snipe go. I'm glad someone at BladeForums scooped it. Thanks for the pics.
 
Here's the unbroken link:

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8084824&postcount=11

The knife pattern actually dates back to 1930, when it was introduced under Schrade Cut.Co. as model #s 9676T in pearl with tips, and 9679SS with stainless handles. Previous to that was the 867 line which didn't have scissors, as in the Fortune knife.. Not sure, but I think the Fortune ad may have been a bit later than 1946 as Schrade-Walden wasn't incorporated until 1947. I've got an actual copy of the ad but neither side is dated, so I can't be sure.

Keep in mind those are thin gold plate covers that clip over the knife skeleton, the actual liners (or scales to use the correct terminolgy, for some reason everyone nowadays refers to the handle covers as scales), are nickel silver.

Eric
 
Last edited:
It's a far thicker plating than normal gold-plated but it's a layer none-the-less. Here's wiki's page on gold filled: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_filled_jewelry and another http://www.mscompany.net/what%20is%20goldfilled.htm

"1/20 10 K GF" means (correct me if I'm wrong) that the knife is plated in 10K gold and the weight of the gold is at least 1/20th the weight of the item.

I was watching this auction too and nearly let the big snipe go. I'm glad someone at BladeForums scooped it. Thanks for the pics.

I was waiting for someone to snipe it. I went to $100 which is a crazy lot for me...my wife said go for it. Thanks guys, keep the info coming. And you are right on about what the markings mean. The gold wraps around kind of like on old imperial knives. But nicer obviously.

Thanks for hanging with this Eric, the links were driving me crazy.

So, I think the conscensus is it's not worth insuring, but man it's a neat knife. The big one is still out there. :cool:
 
Here's the unbroken link:

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8084824&postcount=11

The knife pattern actually dates back to 1930, when it was introduced under Schrade Cut.Co. as model #s 9676T in pearl with tips, and 9679SS with stainless handles. Previous to that was the 867 line which didn't have scissors. Not sure, but I think the Fortune ad may have been a bit later than 1946 as Schrade-Walden wasn't incorporated until 1947. I've got an actual copy of the ad but neither side is dated, so I can't be sure.

Eric, Thanks for the link. An interesting read for sure. ;)
-Bruce
 
Eric, the 1946 Gentleman's Fortune knife was solid 14Karat gold as it states clearly in the advert <across the top> on Larry V's site...it was stamped 14K..and it did not have a pair of scissors..as it states in the advert it had 2 x blades and gentleman's file only. It was not stamped 1/20 10K GF <gold filled>..we are discussing two different knives I believe...mine from 1946 is definately stamped 14K and has no scissors...Hoo Roo
 
Regardless of when Schrade Walden Cutlery Corporation was incorporated, Baer used that name for the division immediately upon acquiring it from the Schrade family. That was in late 1946.

I suppose one would have to acquire a pristine copy of the December 1946 Fortune Magazine to prove the label affixed to the factory archive copy correct. Regardless, the knife was, as Larry has stated, solid 14k (covers) and not gold filled 10k.

There were many waldemars made using skeletons of both Schrade Cutlery Co. knives and Schrade Walden knives. The "Fortune" knife was likely assembled with covers made by a jeweler, either assembled by the jeweler and returned to Schrade Walden, or with the covers shipped to Schrade Walden for assembly (or to Ulster). Regardless, the "Fortune" knife was a three bladed knife that did not include scissors. The OP knife is nice, but is not the knife Baer sold for $125 in 1946.

Michael
 
Irv, That advertisement in itself is quite impressive.
I had no idea that Schrade Walden even made a knife of this sort. :eek:
A solid Gold casing? WOW! Thanks for sharing this. :cool:
-Bruce
 
Back
Top