Help With Buying Forge

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Just getting into knife making. Just ordered a Reeder grinder. (Thank you everyone who helped me make that decision from my other posts, really excited for that to get here.) Now I'm onto getting a forge. I've been doing some research and companies like NC, Chile and Atlas look like they have some good stuff. I'd like to buy, not make.

Specifically looking at the whisper lowboy and whisper momma with open ends from NC.

I also got a few questions:

-Round vs Rectangular forge openings?
-3 burner vs 2 burner pros/cons? Propane usage?
-What about insulation? Wool/Fiber vs firebrick vs cement/concrete?

Any other forge recommendations or info welcome, thanks all!
 
I have a NC whisper Low-Boy. I have used it for many years and I really like it. It heats up fast and is great for general forging. I don't use it for damascus as he flux would eat up the bottom insulation. I use a vertical forge for damascus.
 
What about insulation? Wool/Fiber vs firebrick vs cement/concrete?
That depends on what the majority of forging you're going to do.
My forge is a 16" dia pipe with 2" of refractory cast into it. But the first 8 years of my blacksmithing was doing ornamental stuff and sculptures, so I wanted a large forge to hole large, odd shaped pieces. What's bad about it is that it would take 30-45 minutes to get the forge up to welding heats. What's good about that much castable, is that it's a big heat sink, so once up to heat, it would stay there even when putting a large chunk of cold steel into it. Also, once up to heat, I could turn the propane down to ~1-2# pressure and still maintain the heat.
I also recently added a PID controller and the large thermal mass keeps a very steady temperature.

In the past few years, however, I have been doing mainly kitchen knives, and this is way overkill, so I recently modified the forge, making a smaller chamber with ceramic kiln shelving for the floor, 1/2" M-board for the walls and ceiling and kaowool filling the gaps between the original, round cast chamber and the new box-shaped forge. On the plus side, the last time I timed it, it was only 15 minutes to get to 2100F with me working on stuff after 10 minutes. The negative is that the M-board reflects heat more than absorbing it like the castable refractory, and so there's a significant temperature drop (~ 250 degrees F) when I put a cold billet in. Also, my PID switches the propane to high more frequently with this set up than before.
If I were doing only knives, I'd probably make a forge with ~6" dia opening, and with 1-2" of Kaowool with 1/2" castable over that and then coat the entire thing with ITC-100. That's how the forges in our mentoring center are made, IIRC.

3 burner vs 2 burner
If the forge is in a shop with access to electricity, you might want to look into a ribbon burner. I got mine from Pine Ridge Burners, but there are plans out there to make your own using crayons if you are so inclined. They are MUCH quieter, but you need power for the blower.

I hope that helps.
 
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Depends on the use for the forge. "IF" you're wanting for blacksmithing then a vertical burner from top is perhaps best. "IF" you're wanting for knifemaking, then a roundish inside with burner coming in from side so the flame swirls around the chamber is what you want.

My first forge was one of those square two burner forges with flame coming in vertically from top and it worked just fine for heating a spot on a bar of steel. To get an even heat the billet has to be moved back 'n forth so the billet will heat somewhat evenly. My next forge was a round body with burner coming in from side so flame swirled inside. A 12" bar or billet laying on bottom of forge will be an even orange color from end to end without having to move billet at all. That's what you want for knifemaking.
 
I know I'm biased, but Atlas for knives and NC Tool for blacksmithing.

All the Atlas forges that I build are now cast refractory and stainless steel. They should last much longer than any painted, wool based forge.

Atlas Knife Company, thanks for the reply. I contacted you directly through your website's contact us page since I don't have PM. I just have a few questions regarding your forges.
 
Atlas is a great company and makes good knifemaking forges. I highly recommend them for folks buying their first forge. I have used and tested them from the first model up to the new Graham (which I will be testing soon). Charles makes good forges, gives great customer service, and is constantly making improvements.

The NC Whisper Lowboy is a great dual purpose forge. Mine has run flawlessly for around 25 years.
 
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