Help with my first Strider.

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So I've decided it's time for me to get my first higher end knife; a Strider.
I been eyeing the SnG with full flat PD-1.
I need some help from you experienced Strider users.
-How would you compare the PD-1 to Z-Wear or any other relative steel for that matter?
-How do you like your SnG finish better, Conceal carry or lego? (I wear S to M sized gloves).
Would love to also hear any other opinions or suggestions you have.

Thanks a lot, :)
Moshé.
 
Love me some SNG's (I own 7 Striders and 5 are SNG's). I have CC, DGG, and Lego and I like them all but prefer lego or CC. They are all nice so whatever you pick you will like most likely.
 
For use I like Lego. For carrying more than use CC. PD-1 is 3v is Z-wear, basically. Different manufacturer's. I used Z-wear a good bit and love it. This is PD-1. I haven't cut much with it yet, just got the edge how I like it.ImageUploadedByTapatalk 21374781749.365718.jpg
 
Moshe- Good choice. You need to get some SnG's in your hand, then yull know. Lego SnG for me. I don't care about blade finish or steel either. Get what YOU like.
rolf
 
All the steels that Strider offers pretty much perform the same. As for handle, Lego looks/feels better to me, but CC is by far better to carry in your pocket all day.
 
Sorry, I don't have the answers to any of your questions, so It's best if I don't answer.
 
One of my dream knives is a Green CC SNG with CPM-154

It's a fine knife Brother. I cannot find any fault with this knife and the blade choil grip is something that absolutely must be experienced to appreciate. I wanted a stonewashed finished blade, Flamed Ti CC with new lockup so it's CPM154. So far so good.

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I have just about the same hand size as you, and I hate when knives don't have long enough handles to get a full four finger grip (with room to spare). The lego SnG fits my hand perfectly. I can't comment on the other grip options, but I would love to try out the CC. I do really enjoy my SnG though, I can easily see why people are so passionate about Strider and own so many.
 
It's a fine knife Brother. I cannot find any fault with this knife and the blade choil grip is something that absolutely must be experienced to appreciate. I wanted a stonewashed finished blade, Flamed Ti CC with new lockup so it's CPM154. So far so good.

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Holy shit man, great photos. That's exactly the configuration I had in mind. Trying to decide between a full flat stonewashed S30V or a full flat PD-1.
 
I also need some help with my first Strider, although I'm a bit more ignorant than the OP, LOL. I know I want plain titanium, ranger green G10 and bead blasted or stonewashed titanium SnG... but beyond that I'm a bit clueless, like mainly where to get one - Whenever I see one with the features I want on a dealer's site, it's inevitably sold out. Also, what are the blade steel options? Are they all the same material? What else do I need to consider before laying down $400?

I appreciate any guidance,
Thanks!
 
PD-1 is 3v is Z-wear, basically. Different manufacturer's.

All are good steels and descended from Vascowear through Cruwear. 3V has a slightly different composition giving the very high toughness. Z wear, PD-1 and the parent, now called Cruwear should respond better at higher hardness's without losing as much toughness. Of course they don't start with as much toughness as 3V.

They (Cruwear, Z wear, and PD-1) are designed as an upgrade for D2 where more wear resistance and greater toughness is desired. They all do very well up to rc 62 and aren't chippy until they get to RC 63. Of course any steel at any hardness can be run too thin but I'm talking reasonable angles and thicknesses.

I haven't had PD-1 yet but I do have knives in Vascowear, Cruwear, and Z wear. 15 years experience with Vascowear, in fact.

Compare what CPM 154 is to 154cm, and that's what PD-1 and Z wear are to Cruwear. They are powder steels, and clean.They have a better, smaller grain and carbide than the Cruwear Ingot steel so they can take finer edges, are slightly tougher, and IMO, easier to sharpen at the same hardness ( IMO, that is a powder steel thing though some would disagree with me). The powder steels also seem more affected by the heat from grinding and benefit more from sharpening it a time or two to remove steel before it's real wear resistance and toughness are felt. I noticed this first on S30V and think most powder steels are like this more than the same steel in ingot version. That is not a proven fact, just my opinion and some disagree. My point being that you won't see what it can really do until you begin using it and sharpening it. My Z wear went from CPM 154 type wear resistance to almost CPM M4 ( like the Benchmade Contego I've been using) in feel and sharpening.

They make great knife blades if you don't need high corrosion resistance and don't mind doing some maintenance. Cruwear is known for pitting under red rust so if you do get one of these and find it rusting, do your job and clean and maintain it. If you do that you have one of the better hard use folder steels available on the market equal to in some ways, slightly behind in some ways CPM M4 (HC). I prefer the steels run at around rc 62, except 3V, which I prefer rc 58 ( large knives) to rc 60 ( folders).

Cruwear especially has a biting edge like the one that has made Dozier D2 so popular amongst hunters and guides. Notice CPM D2 hasn't pushed D2 out of the way. I've had a couple knifemakers tell me they like the larger carbide structures for hunting , skinning knives and ingot D2 does this better than the powder process D2 ( CPM D2 , though it is a good steel and in some ways better than ingot D2).

It's similar with Cruwear, and the powder steel versions. It depends on what you want, or prefer.

Also remember some people disagree with my ideas and conclusions and only speak for myself.

My opinion though is it's tough to go wrong with Z wear or PD-1 or Cruwear as long as what you require and expect is what the steels are. They are NOT as wear resistant as S90V. They are not quite as tough as 3V, or S1/S7/Infi. They are not stainless. They are a tool steel designed for toughness and wear resistance and it is tougher than S90V. It is more wear resistant than INfi, S1, S7, and 3V at rc 58.

It is what it is like any other steel and good at what it's designed for.

Joe
 
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SnG is my fav EDC. It's pretty much everything I want in a knife and nothing I don't. I've tried lots of different steels on other knives but the 6 SnGs I've owned over the years have all been S30V. I really really prefer stainless steel in my EDC jack-of-all trades knife... and definitely full height grind. I'm also really partial to the flamed ti.
 
All are good steels and descended from Vascowear through Cruwear. 3V has a slightly different composition giving the very high toughness. Z wear, PD-1 and the parent, now called Cruwear should respond better at higher hardness's without losing as much toughness. Of course they don't start with as much toughness as 3V.

They (Cruwear, Z wear, and PD-1) are designed as an upgrade for D2 where more wear resistance and greater toughness is desired. They all do very well up to rc 62 and aren't chippy until they get to RC 63. Of course any steel at any hardness can be run too thin but I'm talking reasonable angles and thicknesses.

I haven't had PD-1 yet but I do have knives in Vascowear, Cruwear, and Z wear. 15 years experience with Vascowear, in fact.

Compare what CPM 154 is to 154cm, and that's what PD-1 and Z wear are to Cruwear. They are powder steels, and clean.They have a better, smaller grain and carbide than the Cruwear Ingot steel so they can take finer edges, are slightly tougher, and IMO, easier to sharpen at the same hardness ( IMO, that is a powder steel thing though some would disagree with me). The powder steels also seem more affected by the heat from grinding and benefit more from sharpening it a time or two to remove steel before it's real wear resistance and toughness are felt. I noticed this first on S30V and think most powder steels are like this more than the same steel in ingot version. That is not a proven fact, just my opinion and some disagree. My point being that you won't see what it can really do until you begin using it and sharpening it. My Z wear went from CPM 154 type wear resistance to almost CPM M4 ( like the Benchmade Contego I've been using) in feel and sharpening.

They make great knife blades if you don't need high corrosion resistance and don't mind doing some maintenance. Cruwear is known for pitting under red rust so if you do get one of these and find it rusting, do your job and clean and maintain it. If you do that you have one of the better hard use folder steels available on the market equal to in some ways, slightly behind in some ways CPM M4 (HC). I prefer the steels run at around rc 62, except 3V, which I prefer rc 58 ( large knives) to rc 60 ( folders).

Cruwear especially has a biting edge like the one that has made Dozier D2 so popular amongst hunters and guides. Notice CPM D2 hasn't pushed D2 out of the way. I've had a couple knifemakers tell me they like the larger carbide structures for hunting , skinning knives and ingot D2 does this better than the powder process D2 ( CPM D2 , though it is a good steel and in some ways better than ingot D2).

It's similar with Cruwear, and the powder steel versions. It depends on what you want, or prefer.

Also remember some people disagree with my ideas and conclusions and only speak for myself.

My opinion though is it's tough to go wrong with Z wear or PD-1 or Cruwear as long as what you require and expect is what the steels are. They are NOT as wear resistant as S90V. They are not quite as tough as 3V, or S1/S7/Infi. They are not stainless. They are a tool steel designed for toughness and wear resistance and it is tougher than S90V. It is more wear resistant than INfi, S1, S7, and 3V at rc 58.

It is what it is like any other steel and good at what it's designed for.

Joe

Thanks for all the info!
How about edge retention, how would you compare it to something like CPM S30V?
 
Thanks Joe. I was impressed with Z-wear as well. I had to sell it to afford this latest PD-1 ffg SnG. I hated to, but that's how it goes. I think this will be a fantastic edc with just a little maintenance. It slices much better than the 3/4 grind. It got shaving sharp pretty quickly.
 
Thanks Joe. I was impressed with Z-wear as well. I had to sell it to afford this latest PD-1 ffg SnG. I hated to, but that's how it goes. I think this will be a fantastic edc with just a little maintenance. It slices much better than the 3/4 grind. It got shaving sharp pretty quickly.

I wanted to buy one but there was no way I could even get close. Not now anyway. The Z wear and PD-1 should be so close they should almost be interchangeable. The biggest difference would likely be from heat treat, final hardness and grind. Both companies put out very clean, excellent products. Still, I do want both. It's the only one I don't have of the family going back to Vascowear in the Gerber Sportsman 2 ( Gerber "V" steel) made from around 82 to 86.

How about edge retention, how would you compare it to something like CPM S30V?

Mosseri, that's a tough one. S30V is pretty wear resistant when done correctly.

Latrobe, now part of Carpenter, as is Crucible after the buyout has it here called PGK. See it compared to other steels you recognize:
http://www.latrobesteel.com/assets/documents/datasheets/Knife_Steels.pdf

Here is Latrobe's data sheet on PGK ( Same as PD-1, which is what Carpenter, now the parent company calls it)
http://www.latrobesteel.com/assets/documents/datasheets/LSS_PGK.pdf

Last but not least Carpenters graph on CTS-PD-1
http://cartech.ides.com/ImageDisplay.aspx?E=304&IMGURL=%2fCarpenterImages%2fA-ToolandDie%2f61-TS61-MicroMeltPD1%2f01_TS61_RelWear.gif&IMGTITLE=Relative+Wear+Resistance+of+Tool+Steels+Used+for+Cold+Work+Applications
Toughness:
http://cartech.ides.com/ImageDisplay.aspx?E=304&IMGURL=%2fCarpenterImages%2fA-ToolandDie%2f61-TS61-MicroMeltPD1%2f04_TS61_RelativeTough.gif&IMGTITLE=Relative+Toughness+of+Tool+Steels+Used+for+Cold+Work+Applications
 
I've ended up changing my mind, ordered a lego PD-1 SnG. Now the wait begins...
 
I think you did well. In my experience, the lego scales, stonewashed frame and blade, flat ground version is the best all rounder.
 
I think you did well. In my experience, the lego scales, stonewashed frame and blade, flat ground version is the best all rounder.

It's pretty close, it'll be a ranger green lego, flame back and a full flat coated PD-1 blade.
I'll post my first impressions when I finally get it. :)
 
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