HELP with sharpening accessories

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dbreeze225

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hey guys i have 2 questions well what i need help with is i got a aluminum oxide stone (fine on 1 side coarse on other) now i know recommendations to use oil but i like using water with these type stones the other day i had a brain fart and put oil on it thinking it was another stone (people have told me once you put oil on a stone you cant go back to water makes sense cause i water would just sit on the surface because of the oil) i realized right away and ran to the sink and rinsed it right away and left it soaking in water but tried to dry it off and you can tell there is still some oil on it does any one know what actually works to get all the oil out of the stone. there has to be some way to get it out i have heard so many different things (dish soap, kerosene , gasoline, ect.) has any one ever done this and had good results? please help
ok one more question in home depot i got 2 packages of metal stroping/ polishing compound ( one pack is "RYOBI soft metal cleaning compounds" it contains 1 tripoli stick (brown), stainless steel stick (yellow), and jewelers rouge stick (red) now the other package is "RYOBI hard metal cleaning compounds" wich includes emery stick (brown), white rouge stick (white) and also has stainless steel (yellow) like the other one now i know jewelers rouge for example will be close to the same from one company to another but many people have told me that the difference from one company to another actually can make a big difference so what i need is i know these stick are usually measured in grit size or micron size. any one out there know the grit or micron size of these sticks? i want to make sure i know this so i know what order to use in stropping and even if i can skip a couple i dont want to end up going backwards and messing up the blade or dulling it
any info would be greatly appreciated thanks
-dave
 
You can use the stone without any heroic measures aside from adding some dish soap to the water for a few, this will enable it to be used on the oiled stone. Personally, I greatly prefer oil anyway, so you could try it with oil and can always go back afterward. It it really gets buggered up you can put it in a pan of water, elevate it off the bottom with crossed forks or similar, and boil it for a few minutes. This will remove any oil.

The Ryobi black emery in the small sticks from HD are about 30 micron. The White is about 1 to .5 micron. I haven't looked at the yellow but believe it to be in the 5-3 micron range - don't know for sure. The yellow stuff is very tacky and benefits from a drop or two of mineral oil to break down the binder a little.
 
HeavyHanded said:
You can use the stone without any heroic measures aside from adding some dish soap to the water for a few, this will enable it to be used on the oiled stone. Personally, I greatly prefer oil anyway, so you could try it with oil and can always go back afterward. It it really gets buggered up you can put it in a pan of water, elevate it off the bottom with crossed forks or similar, and boil it for a few minutes. This will remove any oil.

The Ryobi black emery in the small sticks from HD are about 30 micron. The White is about 1 to .5 micron. I haven't looked at the yellow but believe it to be in the 5-3 micron range - don't know for sure. The yellow stuff is very tacky and benefits from a drop or two of mineral oil to break down the binder a little.
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nice thanks alot really helps maybe i will give oil a try on that stone cant make it any worse. you dont know about the tripoli or jewlers rouge? some one told me jewlers rouge is to fine to do anything with on a strop any way. not sure i am kinda new to the stop thing. like i said thanks for the help!
 
dbreeze225 said:
nice thanks alot really helps maybe i will give oil a try on that stone cant make it any worse. you dont know about the tripoli or jewlers rouge? some one told me jewlers rouge is to fine to do anything with on a strop any way. not sure i am kinda new to the stop thing. like i said thanks for the help!
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Tripoli and jeweler's rouge are not abrasive enough to do much on hardened steel. The black, white, and yellow compounds are almost universally Aluminum Oxide. The green compounds are Chromium Oxide.


Simple Green can be found in the cleaning isle of most big box stores. It has had good reviews of folks using it on the stone when grinding as a substitute for water or oil.
 
My uncle cuts rocks and petrified wood alot where mineral oil is used as a lubricant. After cutting the rocks into slabs he washes them off in simple green then water then places them in cat litter. Where youve just got a little oil on your stone simple green will take it right out
 
It's a little off topic but... Simple Green is a very concentrated cleaner and degreaser. It's a common mistake to use it full strength for normal cleaning tasks. Mixed with water at 1 part SG to 10 to 15 parts water, it's plenty strong for many cleaning tasks. Which makes it incredibly cheap to use. For degreasing a stone? Hmm, I'd probably start with 1:5 or 1:1 and see what it does.

Brian.
 
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