Help with steel decision

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Hello all, I'm looking for a knife to carry clipped in my waistband when I go running, and I'm trying to decide between lc200n, 20cv and H1 steel. I'm also thinking I would carry it on summer days when I'm wearing light shorts.

Should I wait for Spyderco to release the dragonfly in lc200n, or is 20cv corrosion resistant enough to handle being steeped in sweat for 1-2 hours? Or is H1 the answer for a running/biking knife, and I shouldn't try to make one knife fill too many rolls?

Thanks!
 
"Should I wait for Spyderco to release the dragonfly in lc200n"

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I personally went with LC200N for my bike bag knife because I live 2 miles from the beach and bike in the rain a lot, but honestly... I think I, and most people would be just fine with M390/20CV/204P. It's a very corrosion resistant steel with really great edge retention.

Here ya go. :)
 
20CV is more than resistant enough. If I were to use something very scientific to measure (out of 10) the edge holding/toughness/rust resist/ease of sharpen:

20CV: 9/3/8/3
LC200N: 7/6/9/8

I wouldn't even consider H1, theres a good reason it's getting phased out...
 
When I m riding my bike, I ve recently been carrying my Cold Steel Airlite clipped iwb. In the hot summer on roads near the beach it gets soaked with sweat, and stays that way often for an hour at a time. The AUS10 blade gets wiped off and I blow out around the pivot. Every few weeks I put a drop of CLP Breakfree around the pivot to help prevent problems. Decent edge holding, great corrosion resistance. Lightweight. Strong. Look through the sponsor vendors for the best price.
 
20CV is highly corrosion resistant. It's not quite up there with LC200N or H1, but it's not going to rust easily.

Unless you actually work in a saltwater environment, The big advantage of LC200N over 20CV is going to be toughness, not corrosion resistance. In a knife the size of a Dragonfly, toughness isn't very important.

As Spyderco runs them, 20CV is going to have nearly double the edge retention of LC200N.
 
I own several H1 and LcN200N and I don't have a problem with sharpening the H1. After. decade all of my H1's are sharp . And I use them in kitchen prep all the time so they get used the most. Also been through the dishwasher hundreds of times.

As far as the LcN200N. I don't know much about them I have not used them much.
 
Lots of folks like the spydiechef as a edc in LC200n , I like 20CV personally and sweaty pants on the ranch and salt water on the boat don’t bother it but it’s a edc and gets used so any corrosion is worked off in use

Think of an edge as a living thing that comes and goes, born, get's old, is reborn.
 
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Question is... what do you want the knife for? I think that will dictate the size and limit your options. I just bought a PACIFIC SALT 2 in LC200n and being linerless I must say the weight (or lack of thereof) has surprised me. You truly don't notice it in your pocket. If you want something that big, I wouldn't hessitate.

If you want something smaller... well... have a look at the other offerings in the SALT range. If you ask me, the dragonfly is waaaaaaaaay too small. I know that surgeons cut open people with scalpels all day long (which are quite short) but for daily tasks I like a more substantial blade.

Mikel
 
LC200N or 20CV. Both should do you fine. H1 is really soft. I don't mean this to be rude, but I almost wore the serrations off my Salt 1 on just cardboard in like 7 months. I had to sharpen it every night after work. I do not like H1.
 
Go check out Blade HQ. They have a really good writeup on blade steels. They have it all charted in a bunch of different ways, according to edge retention, corrosion resistance, ease of sharpening, and toughness. It's easy to compare the steels in a visual way.

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Go check out Blade HQ. They have a really good writeup on blade steels. They have it all charted in a bunch of different ways, according to edge retention, corrosion resistance, ease of sharpening, and toughness. It's easy to compare the steels in a visual way.

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We’re going to have to agree to disagree there…. Those charts are garbage when you compare them to results from actual testing.
 
Last I looked into it, I liked lc200n. That said, my jogging/biking knife is this one, in VG1 steel. I've never had a spot of rust on it, probably because I rinse it off and dry it when done.

 
Summers are humid where I live and I tend to sweat. Steels like D2 are an issue just for EDC during the summer. Working out, I could rust AUS-8. Steels like 14C28N and 9Cr18Mov have held up for me but I don't do prolonged cardio with them right against my skin. (At that point, I'd wonder about the liner material too.)

In theory, 20CV should be fine. Definitely let us know if it doesn't work out!
 
Think of an edge as a living thing that comes and goes, born, get's old, is reborn.
Just for the record, that is a Sal Glesser quote.

The combination of light shorts, running, and soaked with sweat screams something like a native5 LW salt.
Either H1 or LC would be my pick for this specialized purpose.
 
With a little maintenance , almost any decent stainless should be OK .

But I do like Spyderco for making some of theirs with nothing to rust . Carefree ! :cool::thumbsup::thumbsup:

 
A little back story; I used to have a Boker Subclaw that I would carry IWB when biking and occasionally when running. The blade would get spots on it close to the pivot washers, and the liner would get a fair buildup of corrosion between it and the scale. I've also had to clean off rusting from VG10 Delica liners that hadn't been in a corrosive environment. I know that pretty much any steel can be used for this, it's just a matter of how much maintenance you want to do. Realistically, it's going to be the handle hardware and not the blade that presents the biggest issue.

The expected end use for this prospective knife is just to have a sharp thing on me. While I carry a knife all the time, a folder to me is a tool to get me to my real tools, something for emergent purposes and not something I planned on using. A few years ago, I remember reading about a car accident where they had to cut the seat belts to get the occupants out of a burning car, and the thought of being unable to do that is something that I don't want to experience. You might say that something like a Res-q-me would be better for this, and while it would be for that very specific purpose, I've never actually needed to cut someone out of a burning car, so it has to have more utility than that. My normal every day use is really very boring and pretty much any normal knife would work, but I like nice tools so I try to find the sweet spot between value and performance.

I have tried carrying a Delica on a bike ride, but the handle just felt too long clipped at my appendix. The weight and thickness were great, but I want the handle shorter, so my initial idea of either a Salt 2 or Native in lc200n were put into question. I don't have the option of handling any of these before I buy them so I just have to approximate what they will feel like. Since the knife will spend more time in my pocket than out of it, I figure how it carries is just as important as how it cuts.
 
We’re going to have to agree to disagree there…. Those charts are garbage when you compare them to results from actual testing.
Where would be a better place to look?
 
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