Hemp handle wrapped knife with a question

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It feels like I haven't finished a knife in forever. In my haste I went with a hemp wrapped soaked in epoxy handle on this with some leather slabs glued to the tang. I really don't like it, I think I'm going to grind it off. Do you guys go over the hemp with a belt grinder to smooth out the grip?

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I actually made this knife and Jim Crowell heat treated it and showed me how he puts an insanely sharp edge on it. This is the sharpest knife I have ever handled.
 
Nice work!

I'm not sure how to fix the problem but here are some tips.

Use special epoxy made for soaking fabric - West System 105 with 207 Hardener is the best I know of. This will likely make an instant improvement on the next one.

Wipe the epoxy off with a clean lint free rag, this especially helps with regular epoxy.

I have avoided using hemp for a wrap so far because the hemp I have found looked treated, maybe the epoxy does not soak in to it so well?

I once ground a paracord wrap half off and it was solid and looked pretty cool, I'd still grind it all off though, I don't think you would be happy with the results... or at least I wasn't.
 
Thanks Daniel. I probably should have wiped off the excess now that you mention it. This is a shop knife anyway so I think I'll deal with it. Using this knife for work like cleaning a fish or camp craft stuff would definitely be uncomfortable though.
 
another option would be to use shellac. You can dye it any color and it goes on pretty thin so you can build up coats to a desired thickness.
 
Nice profile on that knife! Hurts a little not see it as useful as it could be - especially because of the handle work. My gut feel is that, if you take it to the grinder to smooth it up, you won't stop. At least until you see sparks...

I have done something similar for a few years now on caper-sized EDCs up to larger camp knives, and a few other tools. I like the way it feels/wears myself, but mostly I am hard pressed to name another handle material that you can lay on a (clean) anvil and wang away with a polished hammer only to have it look better when your arm finally tires out - I like that (Smoothing Hint#1 - do this right before full cure of your epoxy). I do use hemp and believe the material I order is treated with gum tragacanth (a water-soluble binder commonly used in leather work). As far as I can tell GT has no effect on dying properties or the cord's ability to absorb epoxy. I have tried same with washed hemp cord and had a similar outcome - slightly fuzzier possibly.

I happen to use dense horse butt leather for the slabs most often and shape/chamfer them before the final hemp wrap is installed (Hint#2). Before I start the wrap, I make sure my dyed cord has no major defects for the length needed (Hint#3), dampen it slightly (Hint#4) and then do everything I can to twist the cord tight on each wrap (Hint#5). I find that if my fingers don't cramp halfway through, I'm probably not cranking hard enough or am going too slow for top consistency. I use the end of a hardwood smoother to pack each set of three or four wraps (especially when wrapping into any negative/concave curves)(Hint#6). Also, considering how many twists I put into the work during install on a bigger knife, I usually grab the drill/driver to put a "pre-twist" into the cord that makes it much easier to manage - you guys that have tried this know what I'm talking about.

I use regular 2hr two-part epoxy myself and initially tried thinning it with ~5% EtOH (was used also as a dye carrier), but now pre-dye, dry, install and epoxy. I find that mixing epoxy at RT then heating slightly before application gives me the best results. That and practice of course. Also I believe there is a fine line between just enough and too much epoxy, but your mileage may vary.

Forgive my rambling post, but I had a heck of a time finding good info on this before I tried it. I want to try to help fix that. There's a good dude named Rick Marchand around here somewhere whose experience would also be helpful (he may be Canadian, but he's still worth listening to...). awl
 
There's a good dude named Rick Marchand around here somewhere whose experience would also be helpful (he may be Canadian, but he's still worth listening to...). awl
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Too much epoxy, man. I adhere the backing scales(tooling leather) and coat with 105/205 epoxy. Then I wrap the handle and coat with the 105/207 like Daniel. Put a lot on and let it soak in, the use a rag to wipe it down and remove any epoxy from where I don't want it. Then as it begins to set, I work at it with my bare hands to compress it a bit more and use a stylus pen to touch up the wrap before it fully hardens. After it fully hardens, I go over it with 400gt sandpaper to raise the fibers, then apply linseed. The reasoning behind the last few steps it purely function. When wet the opened fibers get grippy like beadblasted micarta. Great feel... and tough as hell.

I use a wood chisel butted right up against the tang to remove handles. Not easy.
 
Andy thank you for the great tips.

Rick - I almost emailed you before I did this wrap but I braved it alone. I went ahead last night and knocked it lightly against a 400 grit belt. I lost my nice smooth black finish but it raised the fibers on the hemp like you were talking about and I definitely see how this sort of handle COULD be comfortable. I did the same thing with the leather slabs, it was just too much epoxy like you stated. I'm going to repaint it tonight (Rustoleum high temp black spray paint), heat gun it dry, then apply a thin layer of epoxy and this time wipe it down thoroughly. Thanks for the tips everyone.

I am using system three t88v epoxy by the way. Are you using boiled linseed or regular linseed for the last step eh Rick?
 
One thing I do if to much epoxy is applied is to get a cardboard box and put it on the side. I then hold the knife in the box and give it a blast of air from the compressor. It will blow off handle and the pooling epoxy into the box. It will get rid of all that extra epoxy.
 
Good tip, Adam.

s2f... I use boiled or double boiled linseed. They dry nicely. It is very important to work the wrap as it dries to get all of the rough bits to lay down.... one fiber cluster left sticking up can be a pain(literally).
 
Great effort. Great questions. Great tips! Thanks guys.

I'm presuming, from the guy who wears safety glasses when in the woods, Rick wears gloves while working over the setting-up epoxy laden wrap?
 
I'm presuming, from the guy who wears safety glasses when in the woods, Rick wears gloves while working over the setting-up epoxy laden wrap?
I wear nitrile gloves until the epoxy is almost completely set.(It is not sticky but I can dent it with my finger nail.) At this point, I can use a stylus pen to mould/smooth out the individual cords. I get no residue from the epoxy. I suppose I could wear gloves during this proceedure too but never felt the need. Does the setting epoxy still give off nasties even after it no longer feels tacky? Maybe I should be using gloves until it has completely cured?
 
The few times I've done wraps like this, I've used commercial, raw Jute that I've then twisted into two-strand or four-strand cord. A quick pass over a flame (I use a Zippo) scorches the loose bits down and leaves a clean cord.

By twisting the cord as tight as I can keep it and running the wrap as tight as I can, I get a fairly flat lay and a cleaner appearance.

I'm no pro at this, by any means, but maybe the info can help someone else who wants to try it out. I really like Rick Marchand's idea of working it down with a rag or something before it dries. I'll definitely try that when I have a chance to do a more permanent wrap on a blade.

I'll kick in a pic of the last blade blank I reshaped and cord wrapped and soaked in bee's wax. Didn't have any epoxy type materials or the cash for better stuff at the time, so wax it was! It's my user, so when it craps out, I'll re-do it properly. The butt cap is a four strand twist in a double spiral, soaked in super glue, then filed and the ends sanded smooth.

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