Herbertz?

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Recently, I had someone tell me that Herbertz makes a better bali than both Bear and Jag. True?

Seems unlikely to me as they're almost as cheap(price-wise) as a Rostfrei(China POS).

Any clues?

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Do you mean Hubertus? If so I am not aware that they make Bali's of any kind. If they do make one I can guarentee that it won't be as cheap as a "Made in China" Rostfrei.

Hubertus is a German maker of very good quality knives. I have a small (2 3/8" blade) auto that I got for a steal at $65. While mine does say rostfrei, it was made in Solingen Germany.

Nick
 
I had never heard of Herbertz either but it is definately 'Herbertz' and not 'Hubertus.'

See:
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If they are German made as advertised, then they're probably fairly good. But they might be China imports.
 
The pins look a lot like Bear pins. While the "vitals" look like they are stamped on the tang the pic is not clear enough to see where they are made.

It sounds like they are taking advantage of the similar names to lure customers.
 
Oh yeah, I've seen those on sites. Never really thought about them though, since Jaguars seem to be more popular.

I mean, are they new or something? If they made a better knife than Jaguar and Bear MGC, then why wouldn't everyone be getting them?
 
Hmm... most of the Herbertz knives are not very high quality. (you also get this credo at german knifeforums) I think I remember one of my friends carrying a bali for some time and it was real crap. it had a coating that came off if you looked at it, and after some weeks playing with it, the handles had lots of play. I'm not really sure, but I think it was a Herbertz. You can often see Herbertz for sale in "NATO Shops" for skinheads and other scum, along with Springerstiefel and stuff like that.

Seb

BTW they also have a homepage, selling some Benchmade and other stuff for almost twice the MSRP.
 
They are exactly like the Jaguar, and I do mean identical, other than the printing on the blade. Even the mold marks on the handle are identical. I bought some from a knife dealer over in Europe, and had them send me four of them to help cover the cost of the shipping if anyone is interested in one of my extra ones, let me know. Thanks, JohnR7 www.BalisongKnife.com
 
If you lay a Benchmade Series 100 or 200, a Jag and one of the Herbetz's knives side by side and were blindfolded you could't tell them apart by picking them up.

The tooling and designs for this particular style of knife has been floating around the production knife manufacturer's world for years.

When one company can't or won't make a type of knfe any longer, they sell off the tooling and designs to the highest bidder.

The only reason the the prices are what they are is the fact that it is much cheaper for a company to "farm" its production work out to different companies, then it is to do all of the work itself.

What is most likely happening is one company is making all of the blades as the blade shapes and grinds on the blades are identical, and putting different tang stamps on the blade and another company makes all of the handles.

That is why the mold marks on the handles are the same on two different maker's knives.

Jaguar imports the knives into the country in parts to get past the import restrictions.

Ever wonder where their knives are made?

Benchmade is in a class by itself as it does all of its work "IN HOUSE".

Don't be misled by a tang stamp.

I am not saying one is better than another, except for the Benchmade series.

I think their 100 and 200 series knives were held to a higher standard of quality than is found today.

Benchmade still makes the finest production quality Bali-Song in the world today.

But again the key word is "production". That is why a "China Cheapie" costs $5.00, a Jag costs $30.00 and a Benchmade Model 42 costs $150.00 plus.

Until you get into the world of the "Custom Balisong" knives there is not a great deal to select from.

Don't get me wrong, while I make balisong knives, I have a whole drawer full of Jag's and "China Cheapies" that I play with, experiment on, completely destroy to see what makes them tick and enjoy the H*** out of.
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ChuckG

[This message has been edited by ChuckG (edited 10-13-2000).]
 
>> Jaguar imports the knives into the country in parts to get past the import restrictions.

Actually, it's to comply with the regulations. It's perfectly legal to import the parts, and once the parts are in the country, it's perfectly legal to assemble, transport & sell them as far as the Federal Government is concerned. The reason for this is, that once the parts are in the country, another govermental agency becomes involved, and they interpert the exact same law, different than customs interperts it. Thanks, JohnR7 www.BalisongKnife.com
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Herbertz (German) Jaguar (Taiwan) Bear (USA) Frost (USA)
 
I have to apologize. My friend's bali was NOT a Herbertz. Sorry for the mistake

Seb
 
Herbertz is OK.
They make three types of Balisongs:

1) The cheep: they are low quality handles and the blades are like those of a Victorinox

2) The average: they are crafted in Japan and allways a good deal. You get really good stuff for your $$!

3) The expensive: Hand-forged Balisongs! The best I've ever seen.

Herbertz is different from Hubertus, but both are from Soligen (a city with nearly 800 years of traditon in knivemaking!).
 
Hey Heimdall, you wouldn't happen to have a picture of one of the "high quality" Herbertz Balisongs, would you?

I'd be interested to see one. All I've ever seen by them are those Jaguar look-alikes (or maybe the Jags are Herbertz look-alikes, whatever).


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a hand forged HErbertz.. you have piqued my interest as I too have not heard of anythign other than the 'jag; version

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