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Everyone, and especially Mr. Glesser,
I have a question. I have fallen in love with the axis lock, but I hear that the difference in convenience and such between that and the ball bearing lock is negligible, and so I am looking at possibly getting my first spyderco. the only problem is that the manix 2, which is the only knife i see that currently has the ball bearing lock other than the poliwog, which i am not fond of, is a little bit to chunky for what i am looking for. My preferred knife would be the BM 940, but the price is such that i am looking for other options. So, here is the question. are there going to be any more knives with this lock in, say the next 3-6 months? thanks,
Steven
 
While not a ball-lock, the Sage 3 has a bolt action lock what works in a somewhat similar fashion.
 
Doesn't the Sage 3 also have the ball-bearing lock?

SORRY - jabba359 beat me to it and has more accurate information to boot. :)
 
I hear that the difference in convenience and such between that and the ball bearing lock is negligible
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This is simply not true. The CBBL does not come close to the ease of use of the Axis lock. The lock spring is strong (which is a good thing but makes unlocking just that bit harder) and the cage itself is not easy to grip even with two opposed fingers, let alone with just one. The Axis lock is easy to operate with just your thumb.
Make sure to handle a Manix 2, don´t just take my word for it.
 
philwar said:
This is simply not true. The CBBL does not come close to the ease of use of the Axis lock. The lock spring is strong (which is a good thing but makes unlocking just that bit harder) and the cage itself is not easy to grip even with two opposed fingers, let alone with just one. The Axis lock is easy to operate with just your thumb.
Make sure to handle a Manix 2, don´t just take my word for it.
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well, if that is the case, then I am not super interested. The ease of use of the axis lock is the whole draw.
 
philwar said:
This is simply not true. The CBBL does not come close to the ease of use of the Axis lock. The lock spring is strong (which is a good thing but makes unlocking just that bit harder) and the cage itself is not easy to grip even with two opposed fingers, let alone with just one. The Axis lock is easy to operate with just your thumb.
Make sure to handle a Manix 2, don´t just take my word for it.
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I really like the Manix 2, but I have to agree with Phil. Other people seem to be more adept than I am (the story of my life) ;) but personally I find the Manix 2 requires more fingers and a more complicated motion to close safely one-handed than an Axis lock. I sort of doubt that Sal or Eric are offended or threatened by that, by the way. :D
 
if you can afford it, get both. dont know about the 940 but the manix does feel great in the hand. thier both good, strong locks. my buddy has a 710 axis that is nice. i want one. if you can get past their differences, they're both great knives. i doubt either would fail you, but if you desire a slimmer profile, then the BM may be a better choice, as the manix is a bit wider all around. but def. try to hold both before making your decision. good luck man. i hate tough decision making such as this.
 
I most definitely can't afford both. the 710 is another contender, and, after what i have hard, then i think i will stick with axis.
 
thegeek574 said:
I most definitely can't afford both. the 710 is another contender, and, after what i have hard, then i think i will stick with axis.
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no shame in getting what you want. id go with the 710 over the 940. thats just me. i like g-10 scales better than all aluminum. my hands tend to get sweaty so i like a tacky-type surface. plus the 710 is less money. for what its worth, id also look into the military model. its a solid linerlock. same steel as the 940 and has a tad slimmer longer profile more like the BM. and around the same price as a 710. just a suggestion.
 
Hi Geek,

Most locks will work well to do their intended task if they are made properly. If your draw is mainly to the
Axis lock and other features (steel, ergos, handle materials, etc) are not important, then I would suggest that you stick with your preferred lock. When you feel that you'd like to try other flavors, please keep Spyderco in mind.

sal
 
I am looking forward to trying one eventually. what would you personally recommend as a first spyderco?
 
Geek - if by 'chunky' you mean heavy then make sure you check out the Manix2 sprint run in CTS BD30P, it has skeletonized liners and FFG blade so comes in quite a bit lighter than the standard Manix2.

I have both and find the sprint run sweeter!
 
thegeek574 said:
I am looking forward to trying one eventually. what would you personally recommend as a first spyderco?
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Well that all depends on your personal knife preferences. I would pick something that immediately appeals to you but also offers something that only Spiderco has. A Salt series knife might be a good choice because (as far as I know) they are the only company using H1. If you are in the market for a small knife Spyderco would be a good choice. Many say that they do small ergonomics better than most other companies.
 
thegeek574 said:
I am looking forward to trying one eventually. what would you personally recommend as a first spyderco?
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LOL. They´re all good. I always like to think of my favourite but I don´t really have one. I always go "The Military!" but then I think of the Gayle Bradley, Tenacious... all linerlocks, as is the Vallotton, hey I must be on to something. Spyderco does the most confidence-inspiring liner locks. Had a Para-military 2 for a while, didn´t like it EXCEPT for the compression lock which is awesome so I ordered a Superleaf which promises to be my favourite Spyderco... except for the Military, GB, etc, :D
Bottom line: you can´t really go wrong, but get a Tenacious first, it´s cheap and quite awesome.
 
And here (below) is one of Spyderco's greatest strengths (and attractions).

Spyderco relentlessly innovates, unlike some companies that more or less rest on their laurels. ;) If anything, there is too much development and turnover (example: sprints that sell out "too fast"). :D :thumbup:

Sal Glesser said:
Hi Geek,

Most locks will work well to do their intended task if they are made properly. If your draw is mainly to the
Axis lock and other features (steel, ergos, handle materials, etc) are not important, then I would suggest that you stick with your preferred lock. When you feel that you'd like to try other flavors, please keep Spyderco in mind.

sal
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23xdm3.8 said:
I'd try the paramilitary 2
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This - the Compression lock is an awesome thing.

Also, note that the Caged Ball Bearing lock will loosen up some with use - mine is almost easy to operate with one finger (still requires a little more force than any of my Axis locks).

One more thing - Most of Spyderco's offerings are wildly different in shape than the 710 and 940. The finger choil (which I love and prefer to anything Benchmade makes), the Spyder-hole (which I also love), and the flatter-handles make for a much different feel over the thicker/more-rounded Benchmade models you listed.

Not saying either is better, but just noting that other than lock-operation, the above knives have very little in common.
 
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