Here is my rant -

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- Wetterlings 26" forest axe is a killer! They may have not been designed for North American hardwoods, but they sure as phugg work on 'em like a charm. So far mine has taken down one black oak, three interior live oaks (that's some hard stuff), two ponderosa pines, and helped dismember one black walnut tree. All mature trees, some very, very large. The thing has changed my perception of axes. Screw those hardware store things that come dull and bounce off wood. A great axe will slice hair off your arm, make feather sticks, and create monster wood chips :D. I now love Axe craft. Another note on the Wetterlings- Great steel, while chopping down a tree, the axe glanced at hit this boulder I was using as a leg shield (thank god) and despite all that force, only a small dent, polished out mostly.

- I feel that there are some real bad "outdoors and hunting" themed magazines. I won't drop names, but you probably see them all the time at grocery stores, etc. The cover is always enticing. But content usually just sucks. They plug way too many products, and 90% of the mag is devoted to advertising.

- Always try out your gear and test, test, test it. I bought a certain electrical product (again won't drop names) that was highly recommended online. I actually liked it a lot. The manufacture claimed to was suitable in temps down to -40 degrees, rain or snow. I took it out in 40 plus and it wouldn't work. Luckily I was down the creek by my house to discover this, instead of driving X amount of distance, hiking X far and then discovering this. Sold it, replaced it, and lost money in the process. But hopefully it will be worth it.

- Along with 1stAid, pack a comprehensive hygiene kit. Hygiene in the field is essential for healthy living and is a huge moral booster. Fact is, hopefully you never have to use a FAK. But you'll probably use a hygiene item at least once daily. Baby wipes are man's gift to himself. Brush and toothpaste rule for 3 day old cotton mouth. But don't forget items like artificial tears eye drops, which help to wash out the nastiness that fly into your eye while chopping :). Always use unscented soaps, shampoos, lotions, foot powders, etc. Underarm deodorant is not needed, so leave it home. And stock up on good chap stick (never use the kind that requires your finger for application).

- Hollow grinds, where's the love??? Its been my experience that hollow ground blades can be excellent field tools. They make for good cutters, and are plenty strong for other tasks.

- Why the obsession with firesteels? Traditionalist aside, and those who desire to learn/refresh the skill. But IMO firesteels have become fashion accessories. Although it is fun to show off, using the method every time single time to start a fire is a step backwards. It should be lighter first, matches then firesteel for back up. Ask yourself-
"What Would George Washington Sears Do?" (WWGWSD) In todays world, would Nessmuk think that a making a fire via ferro rod is smoothing it compared to a flick of your lighter?

- Learning new skills is fun and important. Most of us here know of Dave Canterbury of youtube fame. He has like 200 plus web videos about bushcraft related topics. Search his videos by the "Most Viewed" method. The videos where he discusses skills always receive little traffic. But his videos on gear all get tons of traffic. I know we're all geardos and love tools, isn't nothing wrong w/ that. Just remember your mind and body are your sharpest tools.

Rant over :) :D

All in good fun
 
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I dunno man, where's the fun in lighting a fire with a Bic? It's important to practice skills in order to keep them in your toolbox. Part of the reason I go out in the woods is to have fun practicing different skills.
 
Lighters fail in harsh weather, they break, and they run out of fuel. Matches are better, but similar problems apply. The fire steel is popular because it is significantly less likely to break or "run out of fuel". Not only that, but they're more fun. When I'm out camping, that's my goal - enjoyment. :cool:

The bottom line is reliability, though. Why carry 3 fire starters when you can carry one you know will work?
 
I carry multiple Bics, redundancy solves any issues for survival, though I might toss in the mag bar if I plan on having fun. I'd rather carry a few Bics and fatwood or PJCBs.
 
I agree with hygiene. If you keep good hygiene in the field you feel more at home. Just as you would bringing a piece of home with you.
 
Glad to hear of a chop-aholic using a dedicated chopping tool like an axe! CHOP AWAY!
 
What? No pics of the downed trees. Where is the love bro?

Matt

Here is most of the processed wood, next is a picture of a downed live oak (in front and not pictured is a downed pine) and finally a section of wild cherry from my yard. Nieghbor took out the heart for a fireplace mantel. That piece weighed 90 plus lbs and was longer then a boogie board. I couldn't get any better pics in the woods because trouncing around through thickets in fleece pajamas is just stupidity on my part :D.







All the woods been processed, just have to spilt rounds and burn this mama jama of a brush pile. But the view of the sky and water was wroth it.
 
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I agree whole heartedly. I learn older skills in case I loose or there is a malfunction to my gear.

I usually use a metal match to light fire, but in my BOB I have 4 lighters along with a 1/2" metal match.

When I am having fun I use traditional older woodcraft methods. If my life will depends on it I make sure I have all the important tools and most convenient gear to make life easier.

I have been trying to perfect the perfect BOB for years (it does not exist) and have found that if I pack everything to make food gathering, fire starting, ect.. easier the BOB will weigh less than 7 pounds more.

I would rather carry around 5 #110 Conibears, 6 cam lock snares, extra lighters and the proper size axe and saw than to have to work harder and burn more calories than necessary.

This is just my philosophy, "learn for the worst situation and pack what can save your life"

Geoff
 
I have had lighters fail multiple times in really cold weather so I don't even both bringing them anymore.

I like to use firesteels to keep practice, using only natural tinders. The more you use it, the better you get. Using only natural tinders that you can find, does take a bit more skill with a firesteel.

Axes are GREAT!! I've been playing with a new 19" Wetterlings axe and I just love it. I've also got a few larger, antique axe heads I am in the process of bringing back to life.
 
- - Why the obsession with firesteels? Traditionalist aside, and those who desire to learn/refresh the skill. But IMO firesteels have become fashion accessories. Although it is fun to show off, using the method everytime single time to start a fire is a step backwards. It should be lighter first, matches then firesteel for back up. Ask yourself-
"What Would George Washington Sears Do?" (WWGWSD) In todays world, would Nessmuk think that a making a fire via ferro rod is smoothing it compared to a flick of your lighter?

Nessmuk used matches which would have been the lighter of his time.

I like firesteels because of the garbage factor. They last much longer than a lighter. Although I usually carry a lighter, matches and firesteel;):thumbup:
 
Love my wetterlings. I have a 19" and the 26"small forest. A 21in splitting axe and a big 32in maul.

Firesteels lighting a gas coleman have saved my knuckle hair compared to lighters and matches and still work on a dewy/wet morning laying out.

I carry a bic but will use a steel 80% of the time, good practice and fun.
 
I subscribe to the opposite on fire, try the hardest way first, but have the easier ways available as backups. I don't really like hollow ground blades because if you had to use it in an abusive way the edge isn't going to be as strong as other grinds. But I agree with you on all the rest :D
 
You make a lot of good points but like others have said your fire steel point makes little sense to me.

Hollow grinds, I don't like them mostly because every cheap blade I have owned has been a hollow grind, so I just associate them
with each other. (Buck knives aside)
 
But don't forget items like artificial tears eye drops, which help to wash out the nastiness that fly into your eye while chopping :).

I agree on a lot of things, but why are you chopping without wearing some kind of eye protection?

Sunglasses that are safety rated are the best solution, and I personally already carry (safety rated) sunglasses normally on the trail.
 
I agree with a lot of that, aside from the firesteel and the hollow ground. Don't get me wrong on the hollow grinding, I like it for EDC tasks, and for general food prep. However, when I am in the woods, I tend to like a convex or a scandi much much better.

On to the firesteel - matches and lighters just are not as reliable to me. I always have matches and a bic, but where is the fun with that? I love to throw a spark onto some natural tinder and watch a fire show up. It is much more fun doing that then lighting it with a bic or matches. And that is why I go out - to enjoy myself, to have fun.
 
I agree on a lot of things, but why are you chopping without wearing some kind of eye protection?

Sunglasses that are safety rated are the best solution, and I personally already carry (safety rated) sunglasses normally on the trail.

Great point about eye protection! Always use it when acclipable, and sunglasses rated as safety protection serves double duty. Not only eyewear but also use good pair of work gloves is a must.

Back to the eye drops, I was just making an example... But one should never buy "redness relief" type eye drops, as they just dry your peepers out. Artifical tears hydrate your eyes and help wash out any forgien object that my geat in, dust, etc.

Regarding the firesteel people, I stick by what I say. If your a fanboy for the firesteels, thats fine, so am I. But those who claim it, I wonder how many of you have actually had a BIC lighter fail you? I only have wood heat for my home and start and maintain well over 200 fires a season. BIC plus fatwood and roaring fire in 5 minutes. Not an exact comparison per say, and situation will dictate couse of action, but it works just the same in field for me. Lighters make for a quicker and easier fire. I've left BICs in a 125+ degree vechicle all summer long w/ minimal lose of fluid. Fluid in general last forever, and yes they work fine in freezing cold (just stick it under an armpit for a few minutes). Heck, I've even made plenty of PLF's w/ a BIC in my pocket no prob. And I've never ever seen a BIC reach "critical failure" lol. Maybe they do, just never seen these super frail lighters I hear so much about. Maybe just a misconception or repeated myth. I've thrown 'em at the ground, used them to open beers, and as a heavy smokers for 6 yrs, I know they last forever!!! They are not flimsy tools.

I'm not trying to change anyone's mind, or gear selection. What works for someone won't always mesh w/ another person. But if it works for you then stick to it. I'm just ranting from my perspective, as you guys are now doing :) :D.
 
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