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Dijos

Dijos

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I was looking at the different designs, and some, like a stockman, are handle shapes. Some, like a whittler, or a congress, have handle designs but are also dependent on blade shape/number. Where is the line drawn? Should we have a long pattern thread to discuss the different patterns available? This should add some needed activity to this forum.. :p
 
Maybe we could revive the "Knife of the week" threads, pick a pattern, comment on it and show pics.

And perhaps to start some discussion:

I don´t think the Stockman is based on handle shape, normally it´s a clip/sheepfoot/spey multiblade, I have one with reverse congress type handle, the Muskrat typically has the same serpentine handle shape.
 
Don Luis said:
Maybe we could revive the "Knife of the week" threads, pick a pattern, comment on it and show pics.

And perhaps to start some discussion:

I don´t think the Stockman is based on handle shape, normally it´s a clip/sheepfoot/spey multiblade, I have one with reverse congress type handle, the Muskrat typically has the same serpentine handle shape.
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Ok, let me try this again (I clicked out of my own post, duh)

We have a "typical" stockman here

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and here's one with a punch in place of the sheepsfoot:
stockman-blue.jpg


Both from moore maker

But then queen makes one with this configuration:

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and aside from all of these having a clip blade, the only thing that holds them together is the handle shape. they have more in common in setup and appearance than say, the last queen has with this:

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Even though they have 2 of the same 3 blades. the last moore maker is based on a trapper, at least that is what I gather.

I remain..Joe
 
The yellow is a stockman
The blue is a cattleman
The bone stag is an equestrian
The final one is an equestrian trapper

The main difference between a stockman and a muskrat is the blade configuration. A peanut is basically a downsized trapper handle. Model names can vary with size, blade, and/or bolster configuration. Then there are specialized off-shoots like the equestrian models. It can get rather confusing.

Paul
 
I don´t think that you can be too strict and precise, there are no official names, only whatever people call them, which may change with time, region, etc. I do like Paul´s designations though.

More thoughts on the Stockman:

Some makers have made variations, probably to make them look more modern, such as the one I mentioned with reverse congress shape, it´s a Gerber and the handles are black plastic with no bolsters, there are others like the Schrade Third Generation models or the Buck 700 series.

In terms of blade configuration, there are the 5 bladers, often in a sowbelly handle, and 4 bladers clip/sheepfoot/spey/awl which some may call a Cattleman (like the one Paul mentions which is 3 blades but has the awl), but a Cattleman usually has a spear main blade and an equal ended cigar shaped handle. In smaller stockmans the spey is often replaced by a pen blade, The main blade is normally a clip but can be a short clip or a long slender California or Turkish type.

There are also different designations for round or square bolsters.

More info in this thread:

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=239075

Luis
 
That Ruple makes me wonder-what is the origin of the super long nail nick on the clip blade? They're also on the Schrade OTs..
 
As far as I know it is traditional for the 4 inch stockmans to have a long nail nick on the main blade and for the smaller ones a small nail nick.

I was checking some pictures in a Spanish version of one of Bernard Levine´s books and there is a Case Canoe pattern with a Spear/sheepfoot/spey blade combination, like a Canoe/Cattleman/Stockman hybrid.

An interesting setup is the Buck Stockmans 300 and 700 series (the ones made by Buck, not the older ones made by others) with individual springs for each blade, no crink, hollow grind, and the typical position of spey and sheepfoot changed.

Wow, this is my 1000th post.

Luis
 
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