HH blade grind question

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What kind of grind is on the HH? I believe my FSH and HOFSHs have a full convex grind but what is on the HH? From the below picture is it flat with convex edge like the one in the middle?

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If so why the change? What are the advantages?

I've tried the search function but either its broken or I'm search capability challenged.
 
I believe you are mistaken. The two examples of the HOFSH in my possession are clearly flat ground with a V-bevel. You may have a convex edge (these were standard on the ZT series and other Custom Shop offerings) but I am skeptical that the primary grind is anything other than flat. According to the Busse website, the SJT was the first full convex blade they offered.

Note the reflections in this picture below. The light clearly shows that the HOGSJTLE is convex and the HOFSHLE is flat.

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Rick
 
>>"but I am skeptical that the primary grind is anything other than flat."<<

My HH is not totally flat. It appears to me to be a saber grind, just like my old "nightshift" RM.... ;)
 
Hold a 3x5 card or ruler up to the primary grind. It will immediatey show what kind of grind you have.
My HHmag is very clearly a 4/5 height flat grind, with V-grind edge bevel.
 
its my understanding that the high ordinance grades are full flat ground, the standard models are full or saber convex ground, and the heavy hearts are saber flat ground

the reason being that the thinner models with the convex grind get closer to the larger models that have the flat grinds in strength, where as the thicker spines allow for less required strength ffrom the primary grind, so convex is unneeded and would be heavier then necessary considering the size of the knife....

that was a loong sentence....
 
SethMurdoc said:
its my understanding that the high ordinance grades are full flat ground, the standard models are full or saber convex ground, and the heavy hearts are saber flat ground

the reason being that the thinner models with the convex grind get closer to the larger models that have the flat grinds in strength, where as the thicker spines allow for less required strength ffrom the primary grind, so convex is unneeded and would be heavier then necessary considering the size of the knife....

that was a loong sentence....

Thanks to all for the responses. I am now more educated. :thumbup: :cool:
 
Schuey2002 said:
My HH is not totally flat. It appears to me to be a saber grind, just like my old "nightshift" RM.

Whoops, you are correct. I meant that the grind portion was flat but completely neglected the fact that these aren't full-height.

Seth Murdoc's report is the first I had heard that the regular blades were convex. Interesting....

Rick
 
SNAFU said:
What kind of grind is on the HH? I believe my FSH and HOFSHs have a full convex grind but what is on the HH? From the below picture is it flat with convex edge like the one in the middle?

grinds.gif


If so why the change? What are the advantages?

I've tried the search function but either its broken or I'm search capability challenged.


to be more specific on the anvantages part - from jerry-


"The grinds are so unique on the new AK-47 that we will soon have a patent pending on the process. We call it a &#8220;CC Bevel&#8221;. The CC Bevel is convex and allows us to offer the absolute accuracy and repeatability of CNC technology with greatly improved performance over traditional grinding methodologies. When compared to flat grinds or traditional hand ground convex blades out of the same material and heat treat, there is a marked increase in both strength and flexibility. The edges are taken to near &#8220;Zero&#8221; prior to coating and are left very fine for cutting soft targets. We went with a more traditional style point as opposed to what is commonly referred to as the &#8220;Americanized Tanto Tip&#8221;. The American style tip is typically stronger but greatly reduces slashing power while the more traditional tip allows for much better full length cutting performance and point penetration. With the enormous strength of an INFI foundation on this blade, we were afforded the opportunity to incorporate the better slashing tip design."


and i know, somewhere there is a qoute to be had from jerry specifically regarding convex and flat grinds on the new knives....

basically, if you take a set of knives, say the fusion steel hearts, and give each a different grind.

1 = 1/4" thickness, full flat
2 = 1/4" thickness, saber flat
3 = 1/4" thickness, full convex
4 = 5/16" thickness full flat
5 = 5/16" thickness saber flat
6 = 5/16" thickness full convex

between 1 and 4, 2 and 5, 3 and 6, the later thicker series will win out for strength, but they will also be thicker in geometry, and heavier. thicker in geometry tends to mean lower cutting performance *though a large part of this is determined by the cutting edge*, and heavier will generally mean faster fatigue rates.

but when you compare the 1 to 2, the saber will win out on the full flat for strength, but will be more obtuse in geometry and weight.

when you compare 2 to 3, the full convex grind is similar to the saber flat in strength, weight, and general performance. but by rounding out the corners of the saber grind, you get slightly better cutting geometry, and perhaps a very very slight degrees in weight. it is essentially a compromize between a full flat, and saber grind.


when you compare a 3 to 4, the difference starts to be interesting. the convex ground 1/4" will be heavy for a 1/4" knife, and the 5/16" full flat will be as light as you can make it without being hollow, so they come a little closer in general performance.



and i have now officially confused myself.
:confused:
 
I am pretty sure that was a hypothetical discussion, not a description of the blade profiles.

Jerry? Garth? What is the story?
 
In all the pictures that I have, it appears that the std FSH is a full flat grind. As is the HOFSH. The HH has a very visable saber grind.
The grind is very similar to that of the Proto FSH, that a certain HOG "attained" and that of a Swamp Rat RW.
The saber grind is very visible, even with the dark crinkle coating, on the Busses and other knives I've seen that are equipped with one.
I haven't ever seen a std FSH with a saber grind but that's not to say there's not one out there.
As Seth so nicely put it, the different grinds will change the strength of the blade and change it's weight distribution.
I've also heard that the saber grind has better chopping ablility than a full grind, but have not had the chance to try this out for myself...yet. :D

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Heavy Heart FSH
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Thanks bro....wish some of were mine, like that Proto!

How's the stopping coming? Any luck?
 
Solstice said:
How's the stopping coming? Any luck?

So far not doing as well as I thought. Maybe I'm just not patient enough. I got a 1x42" belt sander and plan on getting a leather belt for power stropping. We shall see what happens.
 
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