High Humidity and ZDP-189

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It's not the real test result, but just an interesting real life observation, or a confirmation of what I knew previously, in theory.

Back in 2008 I've picked up 2 Kershaw onions, CPM-110V and ZDP-189. Later on, two of my friends saw them and they both got ZDP-189 version, well 110V was out of stock already.

This summer both folders went to Hawaii, I figure Hana Maui(?). For 10 days both blades were in very humid, rainforest env.



Interesting thing is that the top blade was used daily, around saltwater, in the rain-forest and in the kitchen, including cutting fish, fruits, other small stuff, then wiped clean, worn in the pocket.
The blade on the bottom was never used, in fact it spent all 10 days in the bag, which in turn was in the room, more or less ventilated.
The result is obvious, unused blade rusted a lot more.

For that matter, my ZDP-189 folder has nothing, sitting here in CA, and my ZDP-189 Sanetsu Gyuto has absolutely no discoloration, let alone rust even though it's being used for food preparation, once a week or so(too many kitchen knives to use). I cut a lot more with that kitchen knife, and far more acidic foods, but regularly wipe the blade during the prep process and always wash afterward, dry and store in the block.
I knew, unused knives rust more in humid areas compared to the used stuff, but somehow assumed unused knives in the open, or in a knife block. Never thought a blade sitting in the bag would be subject to corrosion. By the way, there is (or was) a rust spot on the bottom blade on the clip, which is 420 steel or something similar, in other words the problem isn't ZDP-189, and a lot more stain resistant steels get rust issues in those environments as well.

As for the consequences, pretty much none, I've cleaned up both blades in 5 minutes using flitz polishing compound and that's all.
 
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Thanks for the review. I have been curious about this steel.

When you say Hana Island, do you mean that the whole trip was in Hana Maui?
 
I guess :) I have no idea where in particular, I didn't go there, Ijust got the knives for sharpening/cleaning. I'll fix the location in the original post.
 
I have similar experience with my ZDP Spydies. there are spots in the spyderhole, spine, blade.
 
Same thing happened to my zdp shallot. Although its very new, and hasn't cut much. The chicago summer humidity (not that bad) made a few small spots, but only on the satin finish, not the polished (stropped) edge. I'm thinking that zdp is vulnerable to rust, but especially so in a "rougher" surface treatment to the steel. Any thoughts?

DC
 
As far as I know, part of that ZDP blade is not ZDP-189, but more stainless 420 or similar. Handle and clip are 410. None of those escaped the rust. ZDP-189 has its own issues with rust because of the 3% Carbon in it which isn't helped even by 20% chromium.
 
My ZDP-189 rusts easily as well, though I'm surprised that the 420 stainless portion of the knife rusted too. I've found that the finish makes a huge difference. Mirror polish works wonders. Bead-blasted and the rougher satin finishes are the worst.

A cool trick is to polish steel with chromium oxide, because that is the exact mechanism that gives stainless steel its stainless property: by forming a thin layer of chromium oxide (from free chromium atoms in the steel) which protects against further oxidation.
 
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Interestingly, in my fog chamber tests my CPM-M4 Mule beat my ZDP-189 Mule. The 52100 rusted by far the easiest, the ZDP-189 and M4 had medium rust resistance, and the S90V fared the best out of my Mules, but still rusted after 4 hours. My S30V has been sitting in the fog chamber for the past 2 weeks, and is still there completely unrusted.
 
I'm pretty sure the 2/3rds of the shallot has a 13C26 spine. Not relevant to the ZDP thread, but my S110V shallot was in honduras riding IWB with my friend and it had two tiny flakes of rust after 1.5 weeks there. Came right off with an eraser. I think its corrosion resistance was pretty good. :thumbup:
 
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