High temp tools and refractory

[kurtmm]

Has anyone recently had issue with the wire rope from this seller?

 

[Stacy E. Apelt - Bladesmith]

Welcome kurtmm.
Can you elaborate a bit on the question? What was your issue with the wire rope?

 

[kurtmm]

Welcome kurtmm.
Can you elaborate a bit on the question? What was your issue with the wire rope?

Thank you, I used one of the outer ropes and brought to bright orange then used my press to forge it flat after heating first and twisting tighter.
Also it originated from China and had identifying plastic strips within the coil which I removed prior to heating,But mostly it is still very soft and flexible I am thinking it ius not even hi carbon. Has anyone else seen this from this vendor? Thanks.

 

[Stacy E. Apelt - Bladesmith]

Have you had success with wire rope from other sources? What was the quenchant and temperature?
I have used HTT&R for many years and never had any issues. I haven't bought any wire rope from them, but they usually carry only the best products.

 

[Ken H>]

Sounds like it might be 7X19 cable which is pretty flexible. I would think the cable for welding would be 1X19 which would have larger strands. I'm sure you welded the ends together prior to heating 'n twisting? I've never used their cable, nor any cable for welding, but the other products I've ordered from them have always been good stuff. They've got a good rep for quality stuff from what I've read.

 

[kurtmm]

Have you had success with wire rope from other sources? What was the quenchant and temperature?
I have used HTT&R for many years and never had any issues. I haven't bought any wire rope from them, but they usually carry only the best products.

I have had great success with another vendor but have lost the receipt so forget who it was. Who is HTT&R? I can try them, Thanks.

 

[kurtmm]

Sounds like it might be 7X19 cable which is pretty flexible. I would think the cable for welding would be 1X19 which would have larger strands. I'm sure you welded the ends together prior to heating 'n twisting? I've never used their cable, nor any cable for welding, but the other products I've ordered from them have always been good stuff. They've got a good rep for quality stuff from what I've read.

Yes, I have bought ceramic fiber and fire bricks from them also, And I do weld and twist tighter prior to forging and have had great success with other cable but,
This stuff is extremely soft after pressing into flat stock after a heat. I think perhaps it may be less quality steel than the original vendor advertised it to be to Hi-temp.
Thanks.

 

[Joshua Fisher]

You said it had plastic strips in the cable do you mean the center core strand was plastic instead of steel? I had bought some cable from High temp tools, which is who Stacy is also talking about, HTT&R, and it had a plastic core and I was actually contacted by High Temp saying they had a batch come in that was supposed to be steel core but wasn’t and they refunded the cable I had bought. You may try calling the supplier and asking them your question

 

[kurtmm]

You said it had plastic strips in the cable do you mean the center core strand was plastic instead of steel? I had bought some cable from High temp tools, which is who Stacy is also talking about, HTT&R, and it had a plastic core and I was actually contacted by High Temp saying they had a batch come in that was supposed to be steel core but wasn’t and they refunded the cable I had bought. You may try calling the supplier and asking them your question

Ok, HTTR, Now I see it! Anyway, The strips were within the cables. Bearing the Mfg. name, blue colored and about 3/8 wide thin plastic.
Said Chung woo rope co ltd. It is 1 1/2 in. 16x19 cable. I suppose I will have to contact HTT&R about this. Thanks.

 

[fitzo]

---- oopsie.

 

[fitzo]

Have you unwound a cable section to spread the wires a bit, austenitize and quench (no temper), then see how many wires break when snapped with a pliers? It may be a mix.

 

[3fifty7]

I posted earlier this year with an issue trying to get this cable to weld. I’ve had success welding cable on 3 previous attempts and this may have partially welded but I don’t trust is.
I unwound and cleaned thoroughly then rewound and welded the ends solid.


I did about 4 welding heats with flux and twisting the cable tighter and tighter before I worked it down into a billet.

I cut into it because I knew I had to cut off my ends and I could see it wasn’t solid. It appeared the small strands were welded together within the larger strands but the large strands were not welded to each other.

I did get to a section that seemed solid but I stopped there and didn’t proceed any further because I didn’t trust it.

 

[i4Marc]

Great. Now you guys have me worried.I have a few lengths of wire rope from Hi Temp Tools that I bought not too long ago. I've been wanting to try it but if this is what I can look forward to, I'm not going to be happy.+

 

[3fifty7]

I have another section I bought at the same time plus some other cable I’ve used before. I’m waiting until I setup a thermocouple in my forge so I can verify my working temps. I’ll try them both at the same time to see what kind of results I get.