Himalayan Imports Pricing Policy

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As most of you already know at Himalayan Imports we march to a different drummer and this is true with our pricing policy. Let me start with another of my many Nepal stories to help you better understand.

In 1988 Yangdu and I spent two or three months in Nepal, visiting, going to our favorite temples, and laying groundwork for what was to become Himalayan Imports -- which should have been "exports." During that period I hired a young Brahmin man named Govinda to do some work for us. When he had completed his assignment I asked him how much pay he wanted for his work. He told me the amount in rupia which converted to about $35 USD. I said that was not enough for what he had done and handed him a hundred dollar bill. He started to cry, dropped to his knees and tried to kiss my feet! Remember, this was a Brahmin and I am an untouchable. I scolded him and told him to get up that it was only money. He looked up to me and said, "It may be only money to you but to me it means medicine for my sick daughter!" This is the story of Nepal and it is a sad and desperate one.

I have seen children some as young as six toiling in cement and brick factories, their little bodies white with dust, only the eyes not dusty white, peering sadly out of the ghostlike forms. I have seen boys ten years old working in hotels 15 hours a day, seven days a week, cleaning, mopping, washing dishes, sleeping on the cement floor at night and happy to receive a couple of plates of dalbhat and a cup of tea per day and maybe five dollars per month. This is also true of the more commercial "aruns", blacksmith shops. You will see a poor child gathering charcoal, pumping the handle on the forge, sitting on the dirt floor filing and sanding a blade, perhaps even trying to hammer some hot steel for a master kami who himself may be too old to work but does anyway because it is either that or starve.

The last order I placed with old Kancha Kami was for six pieces of his Sherpa style which we had nicknamed the Kancha special. The price he asked amounted to about fifteen bucks per knife. I told him that I wanted him to take his time and do an especially good job for which I would pay considerably more per knife. Kancha was very poor and sometimes had nothing, not even a potato in the house to eat. He was most grateful.

Because of these deplorable conditions in Nepal, I know that I pay more than is necessary for our khukuris, try to employ errand boys, people to wrap and pack, and do odd jobs that are primarily "make work" efforts and I charge accordingly. I could get the khukuris for less, (much, much less if I were to use one of the major shops in India or Pakistan who have the capability to make our khukuris to our exact specifications and have offered to do so, telling us that we could claim the khukuris were made in Nepal and nobody would be the wiser -- except me!) reduce my price, sell more and make more because of volume but I choose not to do this because I like to be able to look at myself in the mirror when I shave. If I were to beat the kamis down to bottom dollar, toss out the little guys who help in between the shop and here, I would be contributing to the exploitation of some of the poorest and most desperate people in the world and I simply refuse to be a part of that.

Bill
 
Good post, Bill. I believe that you are doing the right thing. Also, because of this the Kami's take more time to make a better quality product instead of pumping them out like theres no tomorrow.
 
Bill while not a knifemaker I do come from a long line of people who do custom work (in wood not steel). They always made the same choice, do the custom work whenever you can and only do the production work when you need the money and hopefully you will not have to do that very often.

It is very difficult to get people to pay the worth of handmade products. Unless you actually have done it yourself (not necessarily the same field) its difficult to really see where the worth is. The only way to make any amount of money is to lower the quality and go production, the further you go in each way the more money you can make. Kind of sad, too bad its not the opposite.

-Cliff
 
Coming from the same region, I've seen my share of the deplorable conditions, and at times I tend to get desensitized to all the suffering & poverty.

Your post kind of shook me back into thinking about who and what is/are involved in bringing these fine khukuris into the hands of your customers here. A few dollars extra can go such a long way in taking care of the needs of that poor, barefoot kid collecting firewood for the smithy, or that old kami hunched over the fire hammering away ... if we can contribute in some way to taking care of a bit of their needs and, in the process get in our hands such fine works-of-arts to boot, I think this pretty much defines a win-win situation!

- Sonam
 
Bill,

Having read your history post on HI and this, I wonder if you would consider (if you haven't already) begin looking at a possible transition to another socially responsible here and in Nepal to carry on the HI tradition. Both the users here and the makers (and others) there can mutually benefit...

regards,

sing
 
Do not forget, Nephew Sonam, that there are many back in that part of the world who will never enjoy one percent of what we do and, further, do not forget them. As your mother and father would both advise you, try to find a way to help them and just sending a few dollars back for food is not enough -- they need to maintain their pride and handouts is not the answer. You know very well the story they tell back there, "Do not give a man a fish, give him a pole, line and hook!"

Sing, there is nothing I would like better than to pass the torch but nobody here wants to do my job for $4.50 per hour and the younger generation in Nepal would rather drive a taxi in Kathmandu for five or ten times the pay they would get working in a filthy little dirt floored "arun." I have little hope.

Bill
 
Bill, your description besides being very touching, puts a very tangible point to what you are doing with HI. As a collector one of the things I cherish is a clear lineage, or provenance. All the fortunates who have purchased HI knives have each khukris' history from the forge to their hands. HI knives, like any handmade item of beauty and spirit will pass from hand to hand and do nothing but go up in monetary value. Each successive owner will know everything to know about their khukri, it's magic and the man who delivered them from maybe the very last true kamis. Pretty nice legacy I'd say.

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JP
 
One of my most memorable moments was in front of the great temple at Bodh Gaya. I had brought a large sack of fruit from the market for the beggars. As I handed it out a large crowd of stretching hands materialized in front of me. I gave the last piece to an old woman, and as I did, I met the eyes of a beautiful young beggar woman. I had nothing left to give her. We looked into each other’s eyes for a moment, and there was a mutual understanding. I still remember her eyes.

It is true that there is suffering, and sickness and death in Asia. When I traveled there as a young man my traveling companion returned to the US after a couple of weeks. He was not prepared to see hungry children and untreated wounds.

It is easy to imagine the Buddha coming out of his father’s palace in Nepal, and discovering sickness, suffering, and death in the surrounding countryside. The realities that caused him to discover his four noble truths are still there. But they are here in wealthy America also.

There is great wealth in Nepal. Many smiling faces. It is not necessarily a benefit to export our lifestyle without an intimate understanding of its impact. Bill has understanding, respect and love for the people of Nepal. This is what makes his compassion real and effective.

The kamis are performing an honorable service to the world, by using the methods of their fathers to produce blades of the highest quality. They are able to put their heart and spirit into the work. It shows. The blades they are sending to this country are of great value.

Perhaps it is the untouchable blacksmiths who are demonstrating their compassion for us?


[This message has been edited by Howard Wallace (edited 11 March 1999).]
 
Bill,

I forgot you're also living off your pension to make this possible. Nevertheless, I have hope that, perhaps, some solution will materialize.

But the "Four Noble Truths" teach that change is inevitable and that suffering can be addressed if we accept and flow with moment. So be it.

best,

sing

 
Thank you, John, for your most kind words.

Sing, it is as it is but that does not free us from our first dharma and that is to try to help all sentient beings.

Howard, I could actually "feel" your story and it brought tears to my eyes. I know what you felt and I know what the young beggar woman felt. It is heart wrenching.

When I first went to Nepal with a small group of PC volunteers I had been around the block a couple of times and had seen povery and suffering. I was prepared but most younger ones were not. Our first night I remember a young female volunteer came running back into the Kathmandu Guest House where we spent our first few nights in Nepal and she was hysterical and crying almost uncontrolably.
I was sipping a bottle of Star beer and she came running up to me probably because I was the senior member of the group.

"Bill, Bill," she sobbed. "I have just seen the most terrible thing I have ever seen in my life!"

After I got her calmed down I discovered that she had just seen her first beggar -- a little, dirty deformed fellow, with no legs, who hopped around Thamel on his hands like a great ape and barking like a dog, begging for a couple of rupia from the tourists.

To this girl's credit, she bit the bullet, and gritted her teeth and went on to become one of the more effective volunteers. Her name was Sara.

Bill
 
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