Hinderer Stabilizer?

[gull wing]

I am sure this topic has been covered before, but I have no search function, if this a yawner, please forgive me. I would like if anyone could give more light to this.

All I recall on this, long ago someone said "Seb doesn't need one". 1. I can see where the locklug on a Seb will not "overbend"the other way. I have never had it happen to me.(this is not a knife you will carry to a fire and open/close with a gloved hand) 2. But... the other function(it is said) of the Sta. is to reduce or stop the lug from moving "towards the back of the knife handle when gripping it". As we all know, under heavy gripping, the lug will move over to the other scale slab. The back movement of the lug changes the position of contact of the lug to the blade. I tried this: Close knife, take thumb and index finger, gently squese lug doun toward back of handle.... it moves. Now think of the great force you apply when cutting say, wood??
Anyway, this Sta. looks good on paper. Can anyone give another view of this?

 

[Scott Dog]

To be honest, I've never thought of a stabilizer before I saw the one that Stider uses designed by Rick Hinderer. In very severe situations I can see its merit but over bending the lockbar on my Sebbie has never been a concern of mine. I'm I living in blissful ignorance?:

 

[alejandrino]

Deleted as I had a misconception of the Hinderer lock stop. Sorry !!After I read the thread below, I don't think it's necessary specially on a thick lock like the sebenza.!!Dave, I thought the lock stabilizer worked both ways,pushing it in too far and also out !!??

 

[DaveH]

Actually the hinderer stop works to keep over travel from occurring when taking the lock off, that is the lock bar being prevented from bending out too far.

There has been a thread here about the topic. My opinion is while it's a good idea, I've never actually heard of someone damaging the lock by being over zealous when unlocking a sebenza. If it isn't broke, why fix it?

I think it's primary use is a marketing tool.

"I felt that I should write a post explaining the new feature on Striders framelocks, the Lockbar Stabilizer.......Of course as all of you have found out it is obviously a overtravel stop..in other words it prevents the accidental overtravel of the lockbar during closing of the knife...some of you have stated that sometimes repeated closings sometimes weakens the lockbar and thus the lockup is not as tight,well, I can visualize that,but actually the problem I wanted to correct concerning overtravel is the complete overspringing of the lockbar thereby rendering the knife useless...cant be done some say?...a little story of how I came up with it...I am firefighter as alot of you know...while working a accident scene I was using one of my Firetac's to cut the upholstery material around a seat post prior to using the jaws to cut the post...being that it was a good wreck, and adrenalin was running high,and the fact that we wear heavy glove when working a MVA,I pushed the lockbar way to hard thereby springing it,and of course the blade could no longer lock,not a good thing to happen, at the wrong time! I knew then I needed to do something about it...The other issue I wanted to address was the lockbar springing towards the back of the knife when gripping it...this is what is not so obvious in a improvement...the reason is that sometimes the movement in the lockbar is not really noticeable when using the knife under normal conditions...but when you use the knife really hard, and really grip it you WILL move the lockbar..this is because to make a framelock or linerlock for that matter you have to cut the long slot in the frame or liner to make the lockbar,it does not matter what size slot you cut you will still have material missing there...simple physics, suggests that you have a lever and it will move toward the back of the knife...guaranteed...now, what does this mean...1, whenever you have movement in a mechanism it is a chance for that mechanism to fail..2,extra movement in the lock to blade joint will wear the lockface quicker...3,when the blade is locked up on a framelock with the lockbar stabilizer there will be absolutely no movement in the lock....

So given all this is the improvement overkill? Extreme?.....when do we stop designing extreme use knives,as in ... is good enough the way it is?
Myself and Strider Knives design hard use knives gleaned from actual field experience,I didn't hear of this problem from anyone else in the field,I was in the field and experienced it!...Given the addition of the Lockbar Stabilizer Strider framelocks are even tougher and more hardcore than before..worth it? YOU BET!!"

 

[proguide]

DaveH,

That is the exact post I remember reading. There was a lot of discussion about that one for a few days. Good find.

 

[gull wing]

What I got from the above:
1. Not a problem when unlocking, Sebenzas don't overbend. (I can go with that)
2. It is not a problem when tightly gripping, and lock lug is forced over to the other scale.(I can't beleve it is not wearing down some material on the lug when you force the lug over)

One of my Sebs goes over (as described) when I whittle wood. I am a small person and don't apply a lot of force. I push lug back, close then open and lug returns to it's previous location. Good!
I am going to look into this more**