Hinderer stop pin issue?

[Gmrpnk21]

Hey guys! I recently got my first hinderer, the DLT gen 6 XM-18 fullered spear point with no flipper. It's an awesome knife, but I noticed something odd. There is a gap between the shoulder of the stop pin and the presentation side liner. I've taken apart and reassembled it following Rick's instructions and still, the gap is present. Even stranger, the stop pin seats fine before screws are installed, but once the liner is completely lined up with the standoffs, the gap is there again. Has anyone else encountered this before?

 

[Glenn Goodlett]

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[Gmrpnk21]

Can't see the image.

I'm having trouble inserting them for some reason, but here's a link to it!
http://imgur.com/a/KsQqDym

 

[ferider]

The pin is not sitting correctly in the liner. Assemble like this:

1 - Lock-side on the table, nuts, standoffs, female pivot all in the lockside, possibly fixed with scotch tape glued over outside of lock-side
2 - stop pin and blade into lock-side
3 - put the liner on; first on stop pin, then on pivot/blade
4 - push everything together around the pin and pivot; open lock + half close the blade; then the nuts will go into the liner; once they are in, fully open the knife again
5 - put on scale, scale screws (loose); put in pivot screw; center and tighten as described by Rick

Hope that makes sense,

Roland.

 

[Silent H]

Hinderers are also known to have differently fitting and occasionally rattling stop pins. My guess is it has to do with a slight difference in the way the blade is seated on the PB washers as opposed to the bearings. Is it affecting the lockup or action in any meaningful way?

 

[Gmrpnk21]

Hinderers are also known to have differently fitting and occasionally rattling stop pins. My guess is it has to do with a slight difference in the way the blade is seated on the PB washers as opposed to the bearings. Is it affecting the lockup or action in any meaningful way?

It is not. The lockup seems fine and the action is smooth. Centering is a HAIR towards the show side, but you reeeeally have to be looking for it to notice.

The pin is not sitting correctly in the liner. Assemble like this:

1 - Lock-side on the table, nuts, standoffs, female pivot all in the lockside, possibly fixed with scotch tape glued over outside of lock-side
2 - stop pin and blade into lock-side
3 - put the liner on; first on stop pin, then on pivot/blade
4 - push everything together around the pin and pivot; open lock + half close the blade; then the nuts will go into the liner; once they are in, fully open the knife again
5 - put on scale, scale screws (loose); put in pivot screw; center and tighten as described by Rick

Hope that makes sense,

Roland.

This is how I assembled it. Multiple times. The stop pin would slip out of the show side liner a tiny bit upon seating the nuts, especially the bottom one. No matter what I've tried, same results.

 

[unwisefool]

Was the gap there before you took it apart? If so, I'd send it back or at least contact DLT.

 

[TheFactor]

Sounds I like a issue with your particular knife due to tolerances being off or how you assembled it but I’m guessing it’s something not right with yours. I’ve had many Hinderers and never experienced that.

 

[Undefeatable]

Just checked my newly acquired XM-13 3" and mine is the same as yours. When the knife is closed, it doesn't rattle side to side, but with the knife open and no pressure on the pin, it will rattle side to side. Here is a picture of it when the knife is closed. I had a Hinderer a few year ago and it had the same thing. I think I remember just stuffing some teflon tape in one of the sides when I put it back together so that it wouldn't move. I looked it up a little and it seems as though its something that has existed for a awhile. Seems to affect some knives but not all. Also doesn't seem to affect anything about the knife besides hearing the rattle if you shake it when its open. I never noticed it on my current Hinderer until I read this thread and then I checked. I think it might affect more knives than reported online, but its subtle enough to most that they don't notice. I know I wouldn't have if I didn't get reminded by this thread haha:

 

[scdub]

I think I remember just stuffing some teflon tape in one of the sides when I put it back together so that it wouldn't move.

Thank you!!

I’m gonna do that with my small CS Talwar that has the same issue...

 

[ferider]

This is how I assembled it. Multiple times. The stop pin would slip out of the show side liner a tiny bit upon seating the nuts, especially the bottom one. No matter what I've tried, same results.

As long as you know/see that the pin sits in the liner, you'll be fine, I wouldn't worry about it. Remember, the pin doesn't have to hold a lot of stress, it's just there as a stop when the blade is closed.

I've seen several XM-18s fresh from the factory with the pin glued by RKH into the lock-side with red loctite, BTW.

 

[rmill7]

Both my XM18 3" and 3.5" have a stop pin that can rattle back and forth. It's never bothered me, but it is something that I noticed.

Mind you, just axial movement! If there is radial movement at all I would reach out to Hinderer. You would feel that in the action though

 

[Heirphoto]

Been a while since I had a Hinderer but any chance it got built with a Skinny stop pin but in a non-Skinny knife?

 

[JJ_Colt45]

It can be tricky to get the stop pins seated properly and it doesn't take much for them to slip even when you think you have them in and start to tighten things up ... it can be frustrating but I've had many XM-18s apart and if thought there was something wrong but they went back together as they should after a bit of fidgeting with them. It can take a lot of attention to detail and patience. Out of 20 some I've handled I've had 2 that were a pain each time they were being put back together ... and I don't know why those two but they did go together correctly after a few tries.

 

[sharp_edge]

Both knives pictured in this thread are not right. I'd contact RHK for the issue. The slightly rattling stop pin is something different and a tiny bit of blue loctite applied on the lockside end of the pin shall take care of it.

 

[XL883N]

Maybe you guys just have to fiddle with and press down on the liner until it clips in place.

 

[Gmrpnk21]

Was the gap there before you took it apart? If so, I'd send it back or at least contact DLT.

I'm not sure if it was there when the bearings were installed, but it was with the Teflon washers.

Just checked my newly acquired XM-13 3" and mine is the same as yours. When the knife is closed, it doesn't rattle side to side, but with the knife open and no pressure on the pin, it will rattle side to side. Here is a picture of it when the knife is closed. I had a Hinderer a few year ago and it had the same thing. I think I remember just stuffing some teflon tape in one of the sides when I put it back together so that it wouldn't move. I looked it up a little and it seems as though its something that has existed for a awhile. Seems to affect some knives but not all. Also doesn't seem to affect anything about the knife besides hearing the rattle if you shake it when its open. I never noticed it on my current Hinderer until I read this thread and then I checked. I think it might affect more knives than reported online, but its subtle enough to most that they don't notice. I know I wouldn't have if I didn't get reminded by this thread haha:

Did you take apart and reassemble your knife?

As long as you know/see that the pin sits in the liner, you'll be fine, I wouldn't worry about it. Remember, the pin doesn't have to hold a lot of stress, it's just there as a stop when the blade is closed.

I've seen several XM-18s fresh from the factory with the pin glued by RKH into the lock-side with red loctite, BTW.

Yeah, my stop pin doesn't budge out of that lock side and I have no idea What exactly they used to hold it in place.