Hinderer Tool in Europe

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tillias

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Hi folks, I hope you are doing very well. I'm in Germany and it is near to impossible to get any Hinderer Armored Tool here. I have honestly no idea why it is so scarce.

The only stuff I can find is this tool from eBay https://www.ebay.de/itm/256101009373 or this one https://www.etsy.com/de-en/listing/848739306/rick-hinderer-knives-xm-18-disassembly?ref=cart (looks exactly the same from eBay to me, but almost 2x expensive + expensive shipping costs from US)

Do you have any experiences with any of these? I wish I could get this one, but it is always out of stock

Thank you and God bless
 
I have no experience with those, but since you can't get the official one, you might just want to pick up a spanner bit. Search it to confirm, but I want to say it takes a #14 spanner bit if my memory serves me correctly. A coin works well on the other side. I think I used a (US) penny, and I actually found that the pry lever removed from a pair of fingernail clippers fit the other side perfectly in place of a spanner bit. It sounds funny but it worked well.

Not sure if that helps at all, but just an option while you wait to snag the Hinderer on that you really want.
 
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Knives&Lint said:
I have no experience with those, but since you can't get the official one, you might just want to pick up a spanner bit. Search it to confirm, but I want to say it takes a #14 spanner bit if my memory serves me correctly. A coin works well on the other side. I think I used a (US) penny, and I actually I actually found that the pry lever removed from a pair of fingernail clippers fit the other side perfectly in place of a spanner bit. It sounds funny but it worked well.

Not sure if that helps at all, but just an option while you wait to snag the Hinderer on that you really want.
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Thank you mate, much apprecited it. Just to be absolutely sure #14 spanner looks like this, right? https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B007SEGKOG
 
I have the same one from the link you posted and it works fine. But honestly I never use it. Just get a penny and cut a notch in it and use another penny on the opposite side. Works like a charm. I own 7 Hinderers and have taken all of them apart that way. Give it a try!
 
KAR9889 said:
I have the same one from the link you posted and it works fine. But honestly I never use it. Just get a penny and cut a notch in it and use another penny on the opposite side. Works like a charm. I own 7 Hinderers and have taken all of them apart that way. Give it a try!
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Sounds great, thanks for sharing! Is there any particular reason why penny works better than this tool you have? Does this tool scratch or slip by chance? I have found it pretty cheap on amazon: https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B0CSKQR2PQ but not sure if I need it now
 
The tool is round so if the pivot is really tight it’s kinda hard to get a good grip and will slip. The shape of the penny being flat helps get a good grip. I know the tool is inexpensive and gets the job done but I’m telling you the penny works better if you have the tools to cut the notch.
 
I have a set of similar bits, about 36 in all, in various configurations, which I found at a hardware store ages ago. They fit in a hex driver. Very handy for disassembling stuff that the manufacturers don't want you to tamper with.
 
I have a RHK armor tool but I strongly suggest anyone against buying/using iy. It is not a good tool As It is difficult to hold steadly and the screw drive for handling the pivot screw is ineffective especially when the pivot is loctited tight. Managed to scratched two knives by using the tool.

Like suggested above, a spanner, a fitting screw driver, and some $1 tools for the body screws would be a better option.
 
tillias said:
Thank you guys, much appreciate your answers.


How it is? I thought it it fine for Hinderer to change pivot system:
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Rick made it seemingly easy because the knife in the video is not loctited. In cases like this, you don't even need a spanner or a notched penny. Stick the blade somewhere and try to bend it (so that the the female pivot does not spin) while unscrew the pivot using a regular screw driver.

By the way, the Armor tool alone won't be enough to to tear the knife completely down. You'll need separate tools for the pocket clip/filler tab, lockbar stabilizer, and lockbar insert.
 
sharp_edge said:
Rick made it seemingly easy because the knife in the video is not loctited. In cases like this, you don't even need a spanner or a notched penny. Stick the blade somewhere and try to bend it (so that the the female pivot does not spin) while unscrew the pivot using a regular screw driver.

By the way, the Armor tool alone won't be enough to to tear the knife completely down. You'll need separate tools for the pocket clip/filler tab, lockbar stabilizer, and lockbar insert.
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Thank you, I have hair dryer for loctite and set of bits for various torx screws: https://i.ibb.co/WFrd8cR/image.png

I was wondering mostly about pivot
 
sharp_edge said:
I have a RHK armor tool but I strongly suggest anyone against buying/using iy. It is not a good tool As It is difficult to hold steadly and the screw drive for handling the pivot screw is ineffective especially when the pivot is loctited tight. Managed to scratched two knives by using the tool.

Like suggested above, a spanner, a fitting screw driver, and some $1 tools for the body screws would be a better option.
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Instead of locktite, use some plumbers tape on the threads. Will hold it in place and allow for adjustments, also no cure time 😁
 
I second the spanner bit.

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I got mine from Lamnia a while back, I've also seen them on KnivesAndTools, both official partners and both in the EU (Finland and Netherlands respectively). It comes with a bit that fits XM-18 body screws, but the ones on my Skinny and Eklypse are different sizes, but at least it's a standard size Wiha bit so getting the sizes you need is easy.
 
Kryme said:
I got mine from Lamnia a while back, I've also seen them on KnivesAndTools, both official partners and both in the EU (Finland and Netherlands respectively). It comes with a bit that fits XM-18 body screws, but the ones on my Skinny and Eklypse are different sizes, but at least it's a standard size Wiha bit so getting the sizes you need is easy.
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I monitor Lamnia and knivesandtools (also altonaer-silberwerkstatt and some other local shops) but they are instantly sold out or not in stock. I have a feeling they get 1-2 tools every 3 months and that was it. Not a big deal, I will get a #14 spanner bit and try penny as well as suggested above
 
I can't imagine they're very popular considering the price of alternatives. My biggest problem was finding a coin that fit snugly enough, ended up scratching the stock pivot screw a bit. If anything, at least the tool is machined to fit both parts of the pivot, and won't scratch up anodization.

tillias said:
Wow, that is a great advise, many thanks. Idk how much doest it cost in US, but here in Germany it is quite expensive, 32,90€ for a tinny bottle
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This is much cheaper. I bought mine from a hardware store like a decade ago for 8 euros, 10ml might not seem like much, but you don't use much of the stuff anyway, so it lasts a long long time.
 
tillias said:
Isn't red loctite like superglue? Is it possible to disassemble a pivot after it?
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243 is the code for blue or medium strength, ironic that the bottle is red I know, but the stuff is blue. The red one is a different code and is a more permanent solution. I would not use it on knives or anything you eventually want to take apart.
 
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