Hope you didn't want to take a pocketknife to the ball game

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Yet another idiot episode to imperil our rights. Anyone care to guess how long it'll take before pocketknives are on the banned list at sporting events. "What's this on your keychain, sir, a Swiss Army knife!?"

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Two Fans Attack Royals Coach

By NANCY ARMOUR

CHICAGO (AP) — With his eyes on home plate and his back to the seats, Tom Gamboa never saw them coming.

One second the Kansas City coach was standing near first base. The next he was slammed to the ground, a bare-chested father and his juvenile son on top of him and pummeling him repeatedly.

``I felt like a football team had hit me from behind. Next thing I knew, I'm on the ground trying to defend myself,'' Gamboa said.

``It just happened so fast.''

In a scene athletes have feared for years, Gamboa was attacked without warning by two fans who came out of the seats. The Royals rushed to his aid and Gamboa escaped with only a few cuts and a bruised cheek. He walked off the field to a standing ovation from the crowd at Comiskey Park, where the Royals beat the Chicago White Sox 2-1.

But what about next time?

<b>A folded-up pocket knife was found on the ground near the scene, and White Sox outfielder Aaron Rowand said he saw it slip out of one of the fan's pockets.</b>

``I don't know what we can do to eliminate this,'' Gamboa said. <b>``I'm grateful (the Royals) got there as quick as they could, especially when there was a knife involved. God forbid me or somebody else would get stabbed.</b>

``That could have been really tragic.''

The father, identified by police as 34-year-old William Ligue Jr. of Alsip, and his 15-year-old son were led off the field in handcuffs. Friday morning they were charged with aggravated battery.

The son faces two juvenile charges of battery because he also struck a security guard.

``It's sad and disturbing, very disturbing,'' said general manager Kenny Williams, who apologized to Gamboa and the Royals after the game. ``Words don't express the sorrow when you look at a man and he's got blood on his face. All he was doing was coaching first base.''

This was the second unusual disruption during a game this week. On Monday night, police trying to break up a fight in the stands at FedEx Field in Landover, Md., sprayed pepper spray that drifted onto the field and sickened some players as the Philadelphia Eagles played the Washington Redskins. There were no serious injuries.

Instances of on-field attacks by fans have been rare over the years, but athletes are increasingly worried for their safety as fans get more and more brazen.

The most notorious incident was when tennis star Monica Seles was stabbed in the back by an obsessed fan in April 1993 during a match in Hamburg, Germany.

On Sept. 28, 1995, Cubs reliever Randy Myers was charged by a 27-year-old bond trader who ran out of the stands at Wrigley Field. Myers saw the man coming, dropped his glove and knocked him down with his forearm.

On Sept. 24, 1999, a 23-year-old fan attacked Houston right fielder Bill Spiers at Milwaukee. Spiers ended up with a welt under his left eye, a bloody nose and whiplash.

``Stuff like that is hard to control,'' Royals closer Roberto Hernandez said. ``Once fans get a little boisterous and have a few too many beers, anything goes. Everybody was watching the play and these guys just literally walked on the field, then rushed Tom.''

Gamboa, in his second year on the Royals staff, said he had no idea why he was attacked. Michael Tucker had just bunted back to White Sox pitcher Mike Porzio for the first out in the top of the ninth, and Gamboa was looking at home plate, his hands on his hips.

Suddenly, the two fans ran onto the field.

``When I saw the two guys running to first base, I thought they were going to run the bases like they normally do,'' Royals outfielder Carlos Beltran said.

But the two headed straight for Gamboa, tackled him and began punching him.

``When you get in brawls with the other team, you have a chance to anticipate this type of thing,'' said Gamboa, 54. ``But not when it's coming totally unprovoked. And from behind. I'm just totally stunned.''

Gamboa said one of the men was speaking, but he couldn't tell what he was saying.

``He was yelling something, but it was incoherent,'' Gamboa said. ``It just happened so fast.'' The entire Royals dugout cleared and their bullpen rushed in from right field to help Gamboa. Several players jumped on the fans and punches were exchanged.

The White Sox players who were on the field ran over to see what was happening, turning first base into a wild scene. Security came on the field and tried to break it up, but it was several minutes before order was restored.

``Security did a good job cleaning it up,'' Royals first baseman Mike Sweeney said. ``If it wasn't for them, we'd probably still be beating on those guys.''

As security led Ligue and his son off the field in handcuffs, trainers attended to Gamboa. Blood was visible on his forehead as he walked, but he was smiling and laughing as he got more treatment in the dugout.

``I'm just stiff and sore,'' he said. ``<b>I heard one of the guys say there was a knife. I was stunned, so</b> I was checking to see if I was stabbed and didn't realize it.''

Hitting coach Lamar Johnson replaced him in the first base box, and the game finally resumed after about a 10-minute delay.

Gamboa said he doesn't blame White Sox security for the incident. And he doesn't fault first-base umpire Matt Hollowell or White Sox second baseman Willie Harris for not immediately coming to his aid.

``In fairness to everybody,'' Gamboa said, ``everyone was stunned.''

But this should be a sobering lesson to everyone, Beltran said. The next incident might not end so well.

``We think we're safe at the ballpark,'' Beltran said. ``What happened today, that tells us no matter where we are, we're not safe.''
 
Did you see that?! That was absolutely nuts.:mad: If you ask me, I'd say the security guards should have let the players wail on those 2 idiots for a while longer. Like father, like son.:rolleyes: The 2 embicels are damn lucky nobody took a bat to their butts.
 
Which us knife nuts should be incredibly thankful for.

Individual stadiums have their own rules for knives, right? I'd guess that most of them don't allow them, but are there any that do? It feels wrong that in going to watch America's national pastime we have to give up some of our personal liberties.
 
Originally posted by Kwaiken56
..If you ask me, I'd say the security guards should have let the players wail on those 2 idiots for a while longer. Like father, like son.:rolleyes: The 2 embicels are damn lucky nobody took a bat to their butts.
I agree...The players SHOULD have been allowed just alittle more time to "play with" those two "fans", and yes, a double home-run on their heads would have been a good lesson to others...After-all; Baseball ISN'T hockey!...:D.
 
I was showering this morning when I heard of this....and I cringed when I heard the words "crazed fan later found to be carrying a knife" because I knew the reaction of people will be "they should ban all knives".

I think they need to ban alcohol. Really...think about it...LOTS of situations would not happen if it were not for the fact that these idiots have been drinking. Ban tattoos while you are at it..and also the minute some guy takes off his shirt ...arrest him. Has anyone noticed how many guys are arrested bare-chested. Seriously who walks around even at home bare-chested ? Much less in the street or at a stadium.
 
A part of me suspects the whole thing was staged to incite the players to beat the snot out of these two. We can soon expect a lawsuit from the pair against both clubs for assault.

n2s
 
Originally posted by Tony Perez
Has anyone noticed how many guys are arrested bare-chested. Seriously who walks around even at home bare-chested ? Much less in the street or at a stadium.

David Spade (who I don't usually like) had a funny routine about watching COPS. "When I was a kid, none of my friends' dads used to sit around with their shirt off, watching TV and drinking beer...but when they arrest some guy on COPS, that's always what he's doing...smoking a cigarette...flicking the ashes on the floor...not surprised the cops are there...who are these people?"
 
Well, FWIW, I often go around my apt. bare chested and often drink beer while doing so. I come from an upper middle class family and have never even gotten a traffic ticket.

I don't agree with banning alcohol at the games more than I agree with banning tools or weapons. We have laws for when people abuse tools, weapons, and alcohol. You abuse them you should face the consequences of the law. However, when you ban an item you are basically saying that the individual is not worthy of being trusted to act responsibly.

One's desire to ban alcohol is the same attitude that those who want to ban knives use, just pointed at a different object that they themselves have no care for and don't care that others do.
 
At our stadium you can't take in any type of knife whatsoever, and also at our sports arena they are not allowed. Besides 9/11, before that there was a stabbing that occurred at Qualcomm stadium where a Raiders fan stabbed a local with a small knife with a punching movement; it was caught on tape by a local TV news cameraman. That did it for knives at stadiums around here. The stabber is now in prison.

I saw a photo of this latest idiot in the news and it looks like maybe some type of liner lock knife falling out/coming open while he's running forward. Whether he used it or not, nobody cares; it will still equal more banning of knives and is still giving knives an even worse name.
Jim
 
Some stadiums try to limit alcohol consumption, by shutting off sales after the 6th or 7th inning, for example. As a parent I don't need a bunch of drunken, vulger idiots sitting near me and my kids. I personnaly wouldn't even miss beer at ball-games. I do drink beer (drinking one now, a Warsteiner) but I can get through a game just fine with a cold pop. As for knives, I get the shakes when I can't have one with me!:eek:
 
From what I can see on the news, the White Sox have not responded by banning knives yet. They have increased security at the gate as well as placing security closer to the fence and placing uniformed police in the visitor's dugout. These seem to be good steps in that they are clearly aimed at people who wish to break the law instead of penalizing law abiding spectators. I just wish that news media would spend more talking about the father who led his son out on to the field. Apparently he is a convicted felon. The fact that he is a convicted felon who doesn't seemed to have learned anything positive in prison is much more important than the fact he had a knife to me. I mean would it make media types any happier if he had reached for a fountain pen or wailed on the 1st base coach's head with a big belt buckle instead of carrying a knife? Do we want a ballpark to be like lockdown in prison where inmates can't have belts or shoelaces?
 
I saw this story on the news last night, tho I did not hear about the pocketknife. I'll say this tho:

I NEVER go anywhere without my Gerber pocketknife, 3 inch blade half-serrated. I admit, usually concealed. I live in Cincinnati, a large city. I never know when I may need a tool to cut somebody out of a seatbelt or open a box or whatever.

If they want to scan me at the airport, fine. If they start it at the stadium, then, fine. I won't tempt fate, I will simply stop patronizing them. Endgame.

WayLander

P.S.: Why can't I add attachments? Does that mean pictures? (Not that I have anything to add, but I notice that it says that I may not).
 
This is my opinion.

I enjoy the second ammendment as much as anybody else. However, when it comes to my home and my domain and my family, I make the rules. You can carry a knife or a gun or drink beer or smoke all the hell you want. But when you come into my house, you put your cigarettes out, leave your beer and your gun in the car, and if I trust you, I may let you bring your knife into my house.

My house, my rules.

The second ammendment means that the government can't prevent us from "bearing" the things. But when it comes to private property and enterprises, such as airplanes and same as "no shoes, no shirt, no service", the owner of the establishment dicates what goes on in the establishment, and what may or may not be brought into the establishment.

The problem I have is when the government says "no knives, guns, alcohol, in such and such (private) place". If I own a store or a restaurant or a bar, and I want to cater to a bunch of drinking, heat packing, smoking, no shirt wearing chess players, that is my perogative, and if you don't like it, don't come into my place. On the same note, if I don't want anybody with knives, guns, axes, machetes, brass knuckles, or sunglasses in my place, that is my perogative, and if enough people don't agree with me, I will ultimately have to shut down.

If baseball pisses you off, don't patronize them; and iff enough people are pissed off they will change their attitudes.

That is my $0.03
 
When I saw this the first time, I pictured myself as a player coming to the rescue of the coach. Kleats grinding the face and thumbs in eye sockets. Who would have known amongst the mob? Maybe a little violence is needed to stop violence?
 
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