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Stacy E. Apelt - Bladesmith

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With the heat wave I bet a lot of your shops are getting hot. It is only 84° outside, but the upstairs in the shop is 104°. Forecast for 98° this weekend.
How hot is your shop?
 
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96 in my shop today. replaced the brakes on my truck in there to get out of the sun and even with fans it liked to kill me. tough getting old.
Found a dead black widow spider on my bench, that was inspiring.
 
It was 96°F yesterday in the shop, only 91° today, but the humidity is way up. Looking forward to this tropical system that's supposed to hit here tomorrow, lowering temps quite a bit and bringing much needed rain. I find with my new large shop fan and a misting nozzle, as long as the air is somewhat dry, that set up helps a TON. As the humidiy goes up, the misting is less effective.
 
The clean shop is almost air-tight and super insulated. I run a high seer mini-split and a dehumidifier in it 24/7. It stays 72° all summer and 68° all winter. Humidity stays around 40%. That AC unit and dehumidifier just barely sips electricity. I doubt it costs me $300 a year to cool/heat/dehumidify the clean room.
Outside humidity is usually 85-95%.
The "machine shop" is cooler than outside. Partly because of the cool air that comes in from the door when I walk back and forth between the sections, and partly because the downstairs part of the building is shaded by the eves. The grinding room is about the same. With the large thermostatic controlled fan mounted upstairs in the gable pulling cooler air in from under the eves, those rooms are not bad until it is well above 90° outside. I have a large rolling fan for when it gets a bit too stifling.
The upstairs is a very different place. It is heated by the sun on the roof (white shingles, but the sun is the sun). It is basically a solar oven. That is a great thing in the winter but can easily cross 100° on the long and cloudless summer days. At 99° on a sunny day, it has hit 115°.
Most summer days, I go up, get what I want, and head down the stairs as soon as possible. If I have to look through bins for something, I wait until the morning to go spend time upstairs.
 
Down to 86 F in the shop as I type this at 7:30 from Cincinnati. I stopped for a while earlier and it was 97 then…trying to run some heat treat in this mess 😊

Drink 💧 water brothers and the kind that don’t have beer in it yet 😂
 
96 in my shop today. replaced the brakes on my truck in there to get out of the sun and even with fans it liked to kill me. tough getting old.
Found a dead black widow spider on my bench, that was inspiring.
Ohhh the widow! They always make me pay attention too. Only seen a few ever here but the spiders are certainly making a push for the shop this summer!
 
Well it was 112 in Phoenix a few days ago, today's not bad, only 102. It'll be 114+ by the end of the week. But I have a fan in the shed and it's a dry heat. I pity the folks in humid climates.
 
My shop will be whatever temp it is outside. That worked out to about 100 last weekend and looks like it will be again this weekend. It was 96 and raining at about 5 o’clock Saturday evening just to give an idea of the humidity. We’ve had mosquitoes since mid February so there’s at least that to take your mind off the unbearable heat.
 
Black widow in the shop? Eat them guys for lunch. Bout a week ago I'm walking across the shop and happen to look down, I jump across the floor avoiding the rattlesnake I was gonna step on. I'm yelling at the wife who was standing on the other side of the shop to toss me a broom. She figures out what I'm yelling about just as the snake slithers under my leather sewing machine, aptly a big Cobra 4. Using the broom that came flying through the air, I'm able to push the snake back out to the center of the floor. Then with a slap shot that the great Gretzky would of been proud of, I knocked him clean out of the shop, down the drive, off the concrete and onto the gravel, underneath the Chevy 2500 HD Duramax's right rear tire. Told the wife to get the keys and back up over that sucker! She did but there was still some life in him so I removed his head with a shovel. That solved all the issues. Really though, don't much like black widows a lot either.
 
Stacy E. Apelt - Bladesmith Stacy E. Apelt - Bladesmith Moving to a new shop. Do you suggest that mini split? It’ll be about a 300 sqft insulated ‘shed/barn’
Yes, mini-splits are super. They provide heat and cooling and are very efficient. You want at least a 20-SEER unit, 22 is better. For many people, one costs about $1 a day to run. The difference in cost between a 17SEER and a 22SEER will pay for itself in saved electricity.
Get a good one. The cheap ones that cost $600 or so are not all that great. They are just a window AC unit with the compressor detached. They also are pretty small in capacity 8000-90000BTU. The better units cost a few hundred more and are 12,000-18,000BTU. You may not need it in Corpus Christi, but the Heat/AC units are the best ones for many shops. Condensation every night in the colder months can cause rust on all your tools and equipment.
If you don't need the heat, the AC-only units are fine, but you still want a good BTU capacity.

Just like your mom used to say to you as a kid, "Close the door. We ain't trying to cool/heat the whole neighborhood." Making the shop draft free and having insulation will make an AC unit work better. Pay attention to the overhead space, too. Insulating the ceiling helps a lot. Insulation can pay for itself. While bare stud walls has its own "rustic shop" look, insulation and drywall is neater, cleaner, and will make life in the shop more pleasant. It also makes the building more attractive and useful later on as an art studio, playroom for the kids, or even a spare bedroom for a future owner.

Consider your air in/out requirements for dust extraction and such. If you have a dust extraction system that vents air outside the shop, place the air-in vent near the grinder to allow proper air pressure in a well closed shop as well as not suck out all your cooled air.

The biggest difference in the cheap vs more expensive units is if they can be worked on (fix refrigerant leaks, replace parts, etc.). The cheap ones are basically a disposable unit like a window AC. The better ones are like a small home HVAC unit. The lifespan of the better units is also a lot longer ...especially if you plan on running it continuously. Like any tool, buy what you need. If you just need occasional use, the low price may be worth the eventual replacement. If you want reliable and daily use, get a better unit with a long warranty. Another plus is the better units are whisper quiet, both inside and outside. Many now come voice controlled (Alexa, etc.) and can be programmed that way to raise and lower the temps for day and night. That can save a bunch on your electric bill in some places.

My unit was a knife and sword trade with one of my good customers who runs a big HVAC company. When I asked him about your question, he said, "If you can install it yourself it isn't any good. It takes an AC professional to charge and connect the refrigerant lines." He also said, "You get what you pay for."

Tips:
CHECK and CLEAN the filters regularly in the shop! Nothing makes an AC unit inefficient like a clogged filter!!!
Install the head as far as possible from the grinder and any high dust tools.
Check the outside compressor heat exchanger every year, or more often if you live in a dusty place. Blow it out with compressed air or your leaf blower.
Install the compressor on a sturdy base raised up a foot from the ground and on the shady side of the shop if possible. If it has to be in the direct sun, consider a shed roof over it to provide some shade. (don't restrict air flow from the sides, though)
If it snows in your area, clear snow drifts from the unit in the winter.
Install the head inside so it blows down the length of the shop if possible.
You don't want it blowing directly on you if you can help it.
It is often more efficient to run one at a pre-set temperature range than to turn it off and on. If it is programmable, something like 80° at night and 72° in the day may save money. Same for winter heat, 50° at night and 68° in the day. If it isn't programmable, you can change the setting when you start and end your shop day, or set it to run at a continuous temp, like I do.
 
Black widow in the shop? Eat them guys for lunch. Bout a week ago I'm walking across the shop and happen to look down, I jump across the floor avoiding the rattlesnake I was gonna step on. I'm yelling at the wife who was standing on the other side of the shop to toss me a broom. She figures out what I'm yelling about just as the snake slithers under my leather sewing machine, aptly a big Cobra 4. Using the broom that came flying through the air, I'm able to push the snake back out to the center of the floor. Then with a slap shot that the great Gretzky would of been proud of, I knocked him clean out of the shop, down the drive, off the concrete and onto the gravel, underneath the Chevy 2500 HD Duramax's right rear tire. Told the wife to get the keys and back up over that sucker! She did but there was still some life in him so I removed his head with a shovel. That solved all the issues. Really though, don't much like black widows a lot either.
Dave
so you did not skin him and Bar b Que him ??? free skin and maybe a full belly ( he-he)
 
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