How about a Rodent Gladius or Bastard Sword?

Kaizen1

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I always thought a double edge Rat would be awesome. I love the Waki. It's really what I've been looking for in a sword for as long as I can remember. But why only stick to the katana style? There are so many cool sword designs, I think SR could have an even greater following if they took this route. What does everyone else think?
 
What did you just call me? ;)

Gladius would be cool. What are we thinking in terms of blade-length?
 
i'm in for a longsword/bastard sword. something along the lines of a type XVI. i got the type XV covered, but i want a cut and thrust style

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What did you just call me? ;)

I SAYS: Hows bout another bastard sword, bastids?:D

I like SD33's bastid sword, though I was thinking of something a little shorter. But a longer one may be nice also.

Gladius would be cool. What are we thinking in terms of blade-length?

I'd love a John Gage style Tactical Gladius. A collab would be the shit. Wonder if the Busse Family would be open to such collabs(?).:

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Here are the specs on this Gladius:

Overall length 22"

Blade length 16"

Weight : 1 lb. 10 oz.

G10 Grip
 
mine's actually relatively short for a longsword.
a collaboration would be cool. i like Albion Armorers.
 
I dont think any of those look anything like a Busse/SR Blade. I'm sure they could make any number of different style blades very well.

I think if I saw, or SRKW made just another tactical, or fantasy type blade, I'd barf...:barf:
 
I wouldn't mind seeing somethin like this:

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By Phillip Patton:thumbup::thumbup:
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=647175

That's what I was thinking. Something a bit longer and sleeker than a Smachet. Hell, I'll take a Busse-kin Smachet at this point! LOL

Thinking more, the Smachet would be in-line with Busse-style blades. It's a wider Battle Rat with a guard and a swedge'd drop point. C'mon!
 
That's what I was thinking. Something a bit longer and sleeker than a Smachet.

:thumbup: I think SRKW would make quite a beastly gladius.

But ultimately yeah, though I won't go so far as to say I'd barf :D, I don't think I'd want them to stray too much from their more practical products.

I think if I saw, or SRKW made just another tactical, or fantasy type blade, I'd barf...:barf:
 
I think if I saw, or SRKW made just another tactical, or fantasy type blade, I'd barf...:barf:

By "just another tactical", do you also include the Rodent Waki? Aside from "tactical applications", it isn't the ideal tool for anything practical. It's a fun alternate tool, but it's not the most practical. If you don't have anything against a Waki, why would there be a problem against a different style blade? A Gladius is an actual style blade that was successfully used in combat for many years.
 
By "just another tactical", do you also include the Rodent Waki? Aside from "tactical applications", it isn't the ideal tool for anything practical. It's a fun alternate tool, but it's not the most practical. If you don't have anything against a Waki, why would there be a problem against a different style blade? A Gladius is an actual style blade that was successfully used in combat for many years.

Since when doesn't a Waki have a practical use? I got mine in the mail yesterday and went home to promptly clear about an 1/8 of an acre of brush and small trees. I don't see ever... ever using it in a combat scenario. Sure it looks like a ninjas sword, and I fantasize about hacking some home invader with it, but I doubt that would ever happen.

Its light, but stout. Its got a two handed grip perfect for serious swinging and the blade is just narrow enough to hold a sharp edge, but wide enough to wield some wieght. I never once looked at a Waki and thought "tactical". I think saying it "isn't the ideal tool for anything practical" couldn't be further form reality.

Now, any strong blade with a 16"+ edge should be good for chopping and swinging, but I look at a Gladius or that radiused double edged beauty above and see far fewer practical applications. Sure it will cut, but I'm guessing there is a reason you dont see soldiers and lawn care guys alike carrying them.

Like I said... its seems SRKW/Busse seems firmly planted in th market of high quality useable (well used) combat blades which fit nicely in the outdoor market as well. Sure a good amount sit in safes, but not because they're some "lack function" impractical tacti-cool blade.

I would roll my eyes at any entry they had into that market. I suppose it would still perform but...
 
I do agree with your original thought/post though. They could probably make a very good, practical double edged blade. I dont think a gladius or short broad sword would be the basis though.
 
Since when doesn't a Waki have a practical use? I got mine in the mail yesterday and went home to promptly clear about an 1/8 of an acre of brush and small trees. I don't see ever... ever using it in a combat scenario. Sure it looks like a ninjas sword, and I fantasize about hacking some home invader with it, but I doubt that would ever happen.

Its light, but stout. Its got a two handed grip perfect for serious swinging and the blade is just narrow enough to hold a sharp edge, but wide enough to wield some wieght. I never once looked at a Waki and thought "tactical". I think saying it "isn't the ideal tool for anything practical" couldn't be further form reality.

Now, any strong blade with a 16"+ edge should be good for chopping and swinging, but I look at a Gladius or that radiused double edged beauty above and see far fewer practical applications. Sure it will cut, but I'm guessing there is a reason you dont see soldiers and lawn care guys alike carrying them.

Like I said... its seems SRKW/Busse seems firmly planted in th market of high quality useable (well used) combat blades which fit nicely in the outdoor market as well. Sure a good amount sit in safes, but not because they're some "lack function" impractical tacti-cool blade.

There are specific tools, such as machetes that are lighter and can get the job done just as easily. Thicker branches are going to require a different tool like an ax or a chainsaw of some sort. The Waki is unnecessarily heavy for light work and won't work better than axes and chainsaws for heavy work. The Waki is a design at least mostly based on a tool that was specifically designed for combat, namely the Japanese wakizashi or ko-katana. The fact that you find it nice for yard work is a side benefit of that.

You even admit that the Busse Family blades are designed with combat in mind (ie there are more specific yard work/outdoor tools if that's "all" you're looking for).

I never said that the blades "lack function", don't put words in my mouth. I said that they aren't ideal specifically for outdoor/yard use, in which I meant that they were partly designed with combat in mind (which you already admit).

I would roll my eyes at any entry they had into that market. I suppose it would still perform but...

Well heads up, they've been in that market the whole time. And just because they're in the tactical market, doesn't mean that they don't have practical use. Likewise, a double edged blade could have outdoor use as well, just not as much as is convenient for your particular wants. And I mean "wants". The fact is, the Busse Family has a niche in the combat/outdoor markets. Not one or the other.
 
Just wanted to add this for clarification because I was a bit ambiguous. The Waki isn't ideal as a practical tool for anything UNLESS you consider its potential for use in combat in some way. This applies vice versa as well, it isn't ideal for combat unless you consider its use for outdoor utility. If I just wanted something solely for combat, I might pick a fully automatic assault rifle and if I just wanted something for outdoors, I might from a myriad of different tools that are available depending on my uses. This is why a Waki would never replace a landscaper's tool set.
 
I guess for me, there are other things I would reach for first when doing actual clearing work. Back home in Hawaii, the machete ruled. The general design lends itself to doing more work more efficiently. I don't need or desire a sword with this design for that kind of work. With a machete, I want a wide blade with a good deal of metal directly behind the edge -- something that will bite deep and chop well with the mass behind the edge, yet be light and agile enough for light vegetation and LOTS of swinging. And I want to be able to employ it effectively one handed, so my other hand is kept free to handle things. Combined with the proper machete technique, I'd take a machete design over a wakizashi design for that sort of work.

If I need to take down something dense and woody, I'll use an axe, a khukuri, or a saw. Even a good strong machete will do.

I confess that when I saw this blade, the first thing that went through my mind wasn't what practical applications I could find for it. The first thing that went through my mind, was "WOW! That is a bad ass short sword made by a bad ass company to do bad ass things." :D To me, it is a short sword first and foremost. I'm not really into super tactical products, but my inner child has always wanted a real functional sword. This Waki looks to be it for me.

Do I think I'll ever use it as a sword in combat? I would say the chance is negligible. But I think a blade with this design would excel in that application, and I would probably prefer it to a machete or an axe, especially if I actually had some training with it. But I don't think it's ideally suited to most other applications. I mean, I don't see landscape guys carrying around waki's either, I see them carrying machetes and brush hooks or powered trimmers:D.

I believe what Kaizen was trying to say, was not that it doesn't have any practical use at all, but that there are other tools that are more practical for mundane applications like brush clearing or chopping. That it isn't the ideal tool for the common tasks we encounter. That's not to say you can't use it for those tasks. I'm going to use it for those tasks sometimes, because I'm not buying a $400+ blade only to have it collect dust until the zombies or alien invaders come :D. And it's fun to swing a two handed sword around and hack stuff up :thumbup:. I had the pleasure of playing with and chopping with a Busse AK once, and there's just something fun about hacking at crap with a sword.

And as for the possible basis for another large blade product, I only nodded towards something like a gladius or short leaf blade sword because of the price. I don't think many people could afford the final price of lengthier or thicker double-edged designs....

ETA: Whoops, looks like Kaizen already replied while I was typing.

ETA2: And yeah, with the advent of firearms, it probably isn't ideally suited for most common combat applications either.
 
Well I'm not trying to argue one point or another. My original post was that SR and Busse seem to have a certain "look" to the majority of their blades. They dont (often or that I've seen) have any blades with a true Hilt, and they dont do double edged stuff.

Either of the photos posted would be a far stray in Busse Kin design. Unless they did it, while sticking to their typical design cues, I'd pass.

To me, Busse, SRKW and SY produce a number of functional blades of varying sizes all while remaining true to a classic look. Lots of companies produce tons of knives in just about every category, but I think they fail to have any sort of continuity across the entire line. Again, to me, if SR branched out and strayed too far from their look, it would lessen their uniqueness which adds to their overall package.

If they made all these varying designs, would they be cool? Do I think they'd be made well? Sure... but it would almost be like Glock getting into the Revolver Market, and then rimfire rifles... and then muzzle loading.

I'm not really trying to get into a form/function/intended use arguement.
 
To me, Busse, SRKW and SY produce a number of functional blades of varying sizes all while remaining true to a classic look. Lots of companies produce tons of knives in just about every category, but I think they fail to have any sort of continuity across the entire line. Again, to me, if SR branched out and strayed too far from their look, it would lessen their uniqueness which adds to their overall package.

Ah, I gotcha adrock1978 :thumbup:
 
Well I'm not trying to argue one point or another. My original post was that SR and Busse seem to have a certain "look" to the majority of their blades. They dont (often or that I've seen) have any blades with a true Hilt, and they dont do double edged stuff.

Either of the photos posted would be a far stray in Busse Kin design. Unless they did it, while sticking to their typical design cues, I'd pass.

To me, Busse, SRKW and SY produce a number of functional blades of varying sizes all while remaining true to a classic look. Lots of companies produce tons of knives in just about every category, but I think they fail to have any sort of continuity across the entire line. Again, to me, if SR branched out and strayed too far from their look, it would lessen their uniqueness which adds to their overall package.

If they made all these varying designs, would they be cool? Do I think they'd be made well? Sure... but it would almost be like Glock getting into the Revolver Market, and then rimfire rifles... and then muzzle loading.

I'm not really trying to get into a form/function/intended use arguement.

I agree that if they went with something in double edge, it would seem to go further from their traditional (let's call it) style. And I'm certainly not suggesting that they redirect their focus onto swords or the strictly tactical type of stuff. But they do change things up every once in a while. The Busse AK, the Ruck, the Waki, BARFs and now Busse is testing the Kukhri design.

My real motivation for suggesting this is, the Busse Family steels and HTs seem to have the perfect product and ability to produce such blades. I'm not all that into swords and stuff, but if someone could make a hard use double edge combat blade, the Busse kin folks can:thumbup:. Outside of uber-high end customs, I can't think of anyone better that could develop a combat blade that could take incredible abuse.

I understand why you don't care for tacticools because I don't care for them all that much myself. But like rksoon, my inner child is what attracted me to the Waki and its the same thing that would attract me to the idea of a double edge blade from SR.
 
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