How about some insight on the gear?

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Well, I took the bait and visited the JSP site .. and now I'm really curious! Looks like someone's getting paid to play with the kinds of toys I used to experiment in my younger .. (ahem!) wilder days. (re: manrikigusari, bo staff, han bo and Kubotan)

How about someone giving us the story on some of the gear they've gotten from Mr. Piorek? The Wang Bo sticks seem pretty obvious, but I'd like to hear more about use potential, abuse endurance, training techniques, etc. I'm also curious about the Pocket Meteor and of course the V-Gar system.

What systems do these work best with? The area I live in has mostly "karate" and Tae Kwon Do training, nothing in the way of Chinese or Filipino arts.

To be honest, I'm not really interested in learning an "art" for art's sake ... mostly in keeping myself and my loved ones safe in times of crisis.

I'm probably going to get a couple of these titanium toys eventually .. it would be nice to know what all can been done with them aside from the obvious.

 
Whatever you use James' systems for, you're going to need to practice.

The two non-blade systems I carry daily are the V-Gar system and a pair of 8" Ban Bog sticks.

The V-Gar system has multiple uses. First, if used in conjunction with a blade, the V-Gar can be used as a simple flail, keeping the adversary at a distance. The titanium weight on one end really hits hard, trust me. If used alone, I've found the V-Gar excellent for deflection, grappling, and control. In a spar it surprises opponents when they suddenly get wrapped by the titanium cord.

The Ban Bog sticks are more direct in their use. The long cord attached to them can be either used as a lanyard, or as a way to grip the ends and use them as a flail. For example, if two are carried together in a horizontal belt sleeve you can rig them so if they're pulled out one way they form a quick nunchaku, or if they're pulled out the other way they're just regular sticks.

These are but a couple of examples. Back when Knifeforums still had a Bladerigger forum, one member (I think it might have been Don Rearic, actually) made repeated posts about various uses for the V-Gar in particular.

And this is just the beginning. . .

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I'm curious about the sticks. Are they synthetic or titanium? What style do you use with them?

The titanium series is particularly interesting to me ... especially the double tapered tips. I wonder what kind of punching/piercing capability they have, and how durable they are against scarring, dulling and defacing.

I used to carry a shorty version of the manrikigusari when I was younger. A local martial arts school carried them .. my buddy and I removed some links of chain to make them more manageable .. could do nunchuka routines with them, in addition to blocks, grapples and takedowns. Learned some moves under Bud Malmstrom when he passed through town one weekend. Neat stuff. I can see how the V-Gar might attain popularity.



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I've had the V-Gar system for almost two years, and it's like my American Express; I never leave home without it. The first time I swung it and hit my cardboard dummy, I made a HUGE hole in it, and this was at HALF speed!! I once hit myself by accident, with the point of the teardrop nailing me on the collarbone, and my LEGS went numb! My legs!!
Imagine being hit on your head?! Or your wrist, or forearm?!
The best thing about it though, is that NOBODY knows you have it on, unless you tell them. I've had people take off the belt and not even know there was a weapon IN it(don't ask). I've had the belt hanging on my kitchen chair, and had my friends and even my NOSY neighbor PLAY with the belt, and they didn't notice a thing! Hell, sometimes even I forget I have the damn thing on!!
Ok, I 've worn the V-Gar belt EVERYDAY for the last year and a half, taking it with me everywhere, from Chicago to Ohio to Florida. I even wore it to Disneyworld!!(Hey, Goofy intimidates me!) Like I said, I sometimes forgot it was even there. But it's nice to know that it IS there.
How's it holding up? I just got a new V-Gar 2 belt cause mine was starting to fray, but my original belt is still good. As a matter of fact, I'm wearing it right now. The manrikigarrote itself is still like new, except for cosmetic scratches on the tube handle. The cable is a little bent, but that's because of the Stat-Pouch, and you can always bend the cable in the opposite direction to fix the bend. My teardrop also has a couple of scratches; my fault, cause I hit a big rock by accident(again...don't ask)As far as how to use the manrikigarrote, try Comtech's Fighting Bandana videos, or even some books. I found a book at the Epcot center in Disneyworld(of all the places!) called Ninja Weapons: Chain and Shuriken by Charles Gruzanski, Tuttle Press, 1962! Very interesting techniques! One of the positions in the book, the striking position of tenchi-no-kamae, is EXACTLY the position of your hands after deploying the manrikigarrote!! Weird, but cool!!
Try the V-Gar. It's sweeter than you think.
 
A word about the sticks:

These things are mean. They are made from real titanium, and annodized for aesthetic purposes (are there other qualities and uses for anodizing? i don't know much about this process).

As for that double taper, I've seen James stick a ban-bog stick into the frame of a door and it stayed there. They're not razor sharp, or even blade-sharp, but for a martial artist's application, they'll definitely get your point across. The Wang Bo is also a really cool tool. James is pretty good with one of these (by my standards, at least, not I am not at all an expert in martial artistry). The thumb cord let's him swing them with remarkable speed and precision -- and let me say, I'd definitley not want to be on the business end of one of these things.

As for scratching, I immagine that they are not immune to exterior scratching and damage. However, althought some wear-and-tear may occur, the overall structure and useability will not be diminished.

These are wicked little weapons -- and I think the only way to really appreciate them is to see and hold them yourself.

Good luck, and thanks for checking out the site...

Jed

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Yes, I did the series on the V-gar at the old JSP Forum, a labor of love...I wonder if you can still access it? Maybe you can go over there and use the search function under my name, maybe it is within the bowels of cybespace.

The Cable of the V-Gar can kink if you are not careful loading it or if you abuse it. There is a specific methodology to loading it in the various pouches and the V-belt, and these instructions are included with the purchase of the system and they work too. James ALWAYS does his homework and passes that knowledge on to you...

If you do kink the cable, James will re-cable your ManrikiGarrote for a fee, and no, it is not astronomical either.

If you wear the finish off ANY of the Anodized Titanium Products, again, James will re-Anodize for a charge that is fair.

The Keating/Comtech Fighting Bandana Videos are expensive and well worth it.

Vladimir Vasiliev has a video out titled, "Improvised Weapons." In this video, there are many different common objects used defensively. Among some are flexible items, like a jacket and a belt. And this stuff is a must have for the V-Gar Afficiando as well.

Books are a little harder to understand, but if you have some background in an art, you can decipher them if you are dilligent and serious. The two books that come to mind are the aforementioned book by Charles Gruzanski, I have an older version of this book simply called, "Spike & Chain." It was renamed to cash in on the Ninja Craze...this book outlines a Japanese Ryu more normally associated with the Samurai than the Ninja...I don't want to confuse you.

Another book is the now out-of-print "Flexible Weapons" by John Sanchez. This was a Paladin Press book.

Ideally, you would want to befriend someone in the Bujinkan or Jinenkan that enjoys the Kusari-Fundo/Manrikigusari. You will get a lot out of this.

Mystic Arts of The Ninja by Stephen K. Hayes, Contemporary Books, has a wonderful little section on long-range striking with a weighted flexible weapon.

All of these sources of information will do you no good if you do not literally break every movement down and take it slowly with a real, live, moving...human training partner. Be very careful, please.

Please realize that you can learn from a video if you have a background in some art, some concept of how bodies move combatively, books are a lot harder as the movement appears to be stilted and static and that is the nature of books.

Dilligent practice, Mastery can be attained. In the final analysis, it is always YOU that makes a martial art effective, and in ALL martial arts, you have to home study. Find a school near you, and if that is simply not possible, buy the best educational information you can find and the best equipment, and study it like your life depends on it...because it does if you are carrying these things!

I use the Pocket Meteor in the Bandando, it is incredibly effective.

The Koppo Stick is my favorite pocket stick, it has many faces...you can use it like a Kubotan, an "Iron War Fan," or Tessen, any short stick techniques or palm stick techniques in the Fillipino Martial Arts will make it fly.

Obviously, the Ban Bog and Wang-Bo's are effective. If they are pointed, all the more. It is a thrusting weapon as well.

As was stated, you can link two (2) Ban Bogs together and form a Nunchaku...you can also do the following...

You can link a Ban Bog to a Pocket Meteor like a long and short Nunchaku.

Using the Finger Loop on the Koppo Stick, you can loop the Lanyard from a Ban Bog Stick or a Pocket Meteor and have a weapon that has the grip-security and feel of a push dagger, with all of the striking abilities that are inherent in the design of the Koppo Stick held in the hand, as well as a long range striking capability with a grip YOU WILL NOT LOSE.

Did I answer everything? Whew...keep firing them off guys. I like this.

[This message has been edited by Don Rearic (edited 16 August 1999).]
 
Any of you guys out there try the new Credit Card blade? I just got mine about a month ago, with the wallet and the money clip. Sweet!
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The blade itself is SHARP, and the clip on it gives you a very secure grip. Even without the clip, you can grip very tight cause of the hole. I sliced up my cardboard dummy with DEEP slashes, and cut through rolled up wet newspapers like nothing. You can even THRUST with the blade!
With the blade clipped onto the wallet, you can barely feel it in your back pocket. And yes, you can draw the blade out of your pocket without taking out the wallet! I think the word is...SUBTERFUGE.
I even took my wallet through airport security(accidentally, of course!) Just put my wallet in that little bowl where you put your keys,etc. and went through with no problem. Please try James's CCB...you know that it will ALWAYS be with you!
I just ordered a Wang Bo stick, and can't wait to hold it! I also have a couple of knives on order; at least I have my V-Gar and credit card blade to take care of me until I get them!
 
MrG: stop it stop it stop it! my wife will kill me but i've been eyeing up those credit card blades for a bit and since it's such a classy carry system (as all of James's systems are); yes i hear one calling me. now if only the UPS guy could place it where my wife won't see the package when she gets home! your post really did it for me so can i just blame you if she yells at me? gee honey all the other guys are doing it...seriously, it does look like a must have!
 
Of course you can blame me!! What I tell MY wife is this: If I can buy a new wallet from James Piorek, then YOU can buy a new pair of shoes! Sometimes it works, but, honestly, most of the time it doesn't. Seems as though Mr. Piorek's stuff cost more than my wife's shoes!!
 
Kelt, I have a fool proof system...I order it delivered to the offce, and I do not ask her to stop by for lunch.

Mr. G, do it this way: My knife which I bought singularly is $100.00 unless it was on sale in which case it was $50.00; her shoes come in the house three pair at a time, so they are each $50.00 per pair (size five feet) This way everyone is happy. Now about that Little Angel I saw last night...such a small knife cannot possibly be more than $100 honey!
 
Dave,

JSP makes the worlds finest carry systems.
He makes excellent blades, but lots of makers make excellent blades.

No comes close to him on the carry systems.Period.


 
I appreciate all the input. The 8" double tapered titanium sticks look very appealing to me .. not to mention the carry systems.

If/whenever the handle wears off my Mad Dog Mirage X Operator, I wonder if the Rigger Coat would work on it ... it's already got a camoflaged ceramic blade ... a patterned handle would be cool, too.

Again, thanks for the input. Now I gotta start scratchin' up some clams ....



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To answer the question about anodizing and whether or not it has a purpose other than decoration... on aluminum, it gives a harder surface, as it does on titanium, with the addition of pretty colors to admire while you're beating someone's face in. I don't know if it matters on sticks, but with bicycle frame tubing where precise tolerances muct be met and the tubing is very thin, anodizing titanium is frowned upon because it usually will result in premature stress cracking. If you really want to know a lot more about the subject, I would recommend talking to the folks at Merlin Bicycles.

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