How are the coatings done on the Alaskan Guide and the BPS coated 110's?

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I'm curious to know how the dark coatings are applied. Are they some type of electro plating? The black coated blades that were used on some 560s and some recent buildouts appears to be a powder coat and is much different than the AG and BPS coatings.
 
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It is very interesting,i'd like to know also.I do know that the black ozide finish doesn't seem to be the same type of coating as the Alaskan Guide knives,I have some of the buckcote (ionfusion) bladed 110's and it seems pretty durable compared to the black oxide coatings.Maybe someone at Buck will chime in and let us know.

The DLC (Diamond Like Coating) seems to hold up excellent under all kinds of tasks,I find it very durable and it really keeps the rust away.
 
Guys, we discussed this years ago ( 4-20-2008)and CJ gave a short description on how it's done. I wish I knew how to copy and paste another thread to here.
But the title of the thread was 'Which Dorado, Basspro 154cpm or the 154cm' by rsolo . CJ's write up is post #10. Its done by 'Vapor Deposition' .Google PVD 'physical vapor deposition' and it will give you a good run down on how its done and why. It's a very old process. DM
 
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David Martin said:
Guys, we discussed this years ago ( 4-20-2008)and CJ gave a short description on how it's done. I wish I knew how to copy and paste another thread to here.
But the title of the thread was 'Which Dorado, Basspro 154cpm or the 154cm' by rsolo . CJ's write up is post #10. Its done by 'Vapor Deposition' .Google PVD 'physical vapor deposition' and it will give you a good run down on how its done and why. It's a very old process. DM
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Here you go David,
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...ro-154cpm-or-the-154cm?highlight=which+dorado
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David Martin said:
Guys, we discussed this years ago ( 4-20-2008)and CJ gave a short description on how it's done. I wish I knew how to copy and paste another thread to here.
But the title of the thread was 'Which Dorado, Basspro 154cpm or the 154cm' by rsolo . CJ's write up is post #10. Its done by 'Vapor Deposition' .Google PVD 'physical vapor deposition' and it will give you a good run down on how its done and why. It's a very old process. DM
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Well, that was almost five years ago and about five months before I even found this forum. Glad that it's been brought up again.
 
According to the description given in the attached thread it sounds like an interesting process. Not just your average powder coat or blade coating. It sounds like it's on a molecular level.

On an off topic, I have to comment on Daves Ammo statement, Holy crap is ammo hard to find right now, thank you Dianne Feinstein...
 
"Titanium leaves a gold finish. Titanium with Aluminum leaves a gray finish and the Zirconium left a light gold...we called it Champagne...finish. The coating magnifies imperfections in the finish so we have to make sure the blades are perfect before coating. "

That explains the process and those three "colors" (gold, gray and light gold". I wonder what element or metal ions give the AG and BPS models their dark blue/black colors?
 
First, Dang Plumb, your making me feel old, I remember Plumber Dave the Newbie era. We have all traveled far together Grasshoppers.

Second. Ammo, is short nation wide Matt. You can get a little .380. but other handgun calibers are slim. At some of the big chains insider info is passed to folks by workers that .223 is going to be stocked (usually foreign) and there will be a line that morning at the shelf. Most places have started maximum purchase limits. Regular ole rimfire .22 just isn't happening, unless you want fancy target grade that costs over 8 to 10 cents a shot. I think guys at my shooting range bought all the Rem .22s golden bullets at one chain store with a shippment. Using the cell phone to call each other, some took off work to get their share. I was 35 miles away and was out of luck., No one wanted to share their 500 shell limit and I doubt I would have gotten there in time. I am pretty sure one guy went outside, changed clothes and put on sunglasses and hat and came back in for another 500.........

Knives are in good supply. My friend has a old car out in his woods, we may have to go rob the springs to forge spearheads.

I don't own a single knife with any coating on it. 300s just don't get much, if any, special treatments.......300
 
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Yep, ammo is becoming precious these days. I'm not really concerned about the manufacturer's not eventually catching up, I'm concerned that they may stop online sales and try to tax ammo out of existance. I just took delivery of 1500 rds. of .17HMR (my favorite fun cartridge), 1000 rds. of 12 ga. and 1000 rds. of .22 short (for my Win. 62A gallery rifle). I already had a good stash of ammo in those three, but you just never know.

When I got the new Kimber 1911, the dealer only had four boxes of ammo and gave me two of them as part of the deal. Lucky for me, my best friend had sold both of his .45's and sold me close to 1000 rounds of ammo that he still had very cheap.

I'm going to a gun show about 120 miles from me next weekend. It's a big one and there are usually a bunch of ammo dealers there. It will be interesting to see what, if anything is still available.

Off topic I know, but it's my thread.;)
 
Well, you guys seemed to have figured out how the coating business works so I said what the heck....

I could have stayed on topic and said the coating stuff was a bunch of crap and no good Buck person would want it. You know like the old days...
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Well, you guys seemed to have figured out how the coating business works so I said what the heck....

I could have stayed on topic and said the coating stuff was a bunch of crap and no good Buck person would want it. You know like the old days...
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I think I'm with you, but we can't say that too loud.
 
"I could have stayed on topic and said the coating stuff was a bunch of crap and no good Buck person would want it."

Naww, that would have still been "off topic". I didn't ask if the coatings were any good or if anyone liked them, just asked how they were done. ;)
 
Well Dave, I think it was answered in post 5. Here we are in #17 and going strong. Got to have something to talk about. If I hear one more story about a bad knife blade not centered I'm going to scream...

On topic, it's interesting how the different substances being used change the color of the final product. Who thinks of this stuff. I wish I paid more attention in Chemistry. The flames distracted me...
 
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Well Dave, I think it was answered in post 5. Here we are in #17 and going strong. Got to have something to talk about. If I hear one more story about a bad knife blade not centered I'm going to scream...
On topic, it's interesting how the different substances being used change the color of the final product. Who thinks of this stuff. I wish I paid more attention in Chemistry. The flames distracted me...
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I hear ya.
 
I had a 560 with a black blade and black handle. The coatings appeared to be organic (either powder coat or Teflon). These coatings were not very resistant to abrasion. I have a slew of PVC coated 560's, and these coatings are hard enough to use as finishing steels for my regular steel blades. I also have the AG and BPS coated blades. They are much darker than the TiAlN (charcoal) coating used on the 560. Somebody told me that the AG and BPS blades are PVD coated with TDLC (Tungsten diamond like Carbon). I understand that this is basically a Tungsten Carbide coat with a hardness of 72 HRC (hardness Rockwell C). The Buckcote blades were harder with readings of 82 for TiN, 85 for ZrN, and 92 for TiAlN.
 
Ti, Yes, still at 72RC this is very high and the coating adheres well to the blade. I think your correct on the Buckcote hardness as I read that at one point. Only it may have been in a Cabela's catalog. I'll try to find it. Still, in these intervening yrs. I've not read of anyone complaining about their coating peeling off. Instead, its the otherside, that they enjoyed them, they worked and wish Buck would bring it back. DM
 
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