How can we promote a positive image of knives?

not2sharp

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This subject came up on another thread, but it is better addressed in the General Forum.

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http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...Some-Mainstream-Media-Criticize-It-As-Useless

The mainstream media seems to have little to say about knives. Where they are shown it is usually portrayed as an instrument of terror rather then as a useful day to day tool. What does get out from the martial arts and knives as a combative/defensive instrument only adds more fuel to the fire. There is nothing wrong with knife combatives, but most of us including martial artists, make far more use of knives for utilitarian purposes. But, how would you convey that in an interesting way to the average person on the street. If we were to promote a mainstream movie,TV show, or documentary, what would we actually want to show?

I am leanning towards highlighting the knife as a versatile everyday "safety device". What else would you suggest?

n2s
 
Vote. The reason knives and guns are getting politically incorrect is because we owners let it happen. Get out and vote for politicians that dont regulate or restrict. Keep America free.
 
What about starting from ourselves - like stopping talking here on forum about knives as weapons?
Knives might be only as positive as their owners are. If the owner carries a knife "for self-defense" (not actually having any self-defense skills), shows it off with no regard for others and the knife image - because the knife makes him so much cooler than all the "shiple" around... what positive image are we talking about. And there are people like that here in the forum - feeling very OK.
Until we are successful in promoting this positive image for knives here in Bladeforums any dreams about going any further are just dreams and wasted breath. And I do not see it happening here any time soon - too many users see the knives as "combative/defensive instrument" mainly. :(

Should we show them some main-stream movie or some documentary? ;)
 
knives ARE weapons. We all know that. So does every rube you meet.

I'd suggest just not doing anything stupid with your knife where others can see. Stay away from the 'hey fellows, watch THIS' stuff. lol
 
Knives are tools as well. However, it's also the right tool for gutting a terrorist.

...after you make some fuzz sticks while camping.
 
I don't really think that changing laws is the priority. It's the people in the streets that matters. I do agree with the OP that the general image that non-knife people have is too negative, and it's our duty to change it.
Personally, I believe that the only way to achieve thois goal (if we want to) is with our attitude. The laws, the media, all those things might be important, but they will come afterwards.
The starting point is not scaring people around me when I use my knife, and show them that a knife can be a useful tool.
This involves many factors. The way we carry our knife, open it, use it, talk about it, the kind of knife we carry, there are lots of factors involved.
But the main thing is that most knife users don't care of people's reactions, they just behave like 'if the law says I can carry it, then I don't care'. Which is, of course, a totally respectable (and understandable) point of view. But it doesn't help the way people think about our edgy little steel friends.
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We could change all our tachtical-looking, one-hand operated knives with slipjoints and SAKs. No one (almost) is afraid of a SAK.

But it´s quite funky that a big kitchen knife becomes a deadly and scary psycho-weapon if you just take it from the kitchen to another room in your house. In the kitchen: a useful tool that your grandma will use... in the living room: just freaking scary! call the police!!
 
There's no point in trying to do anything, by trying to go out of your way to "promote a positive image" might have a backfiring affect. Take the open carry people for guns for example, they are trying to promote a positive image for guns, but they end up causing more trouble than anything.

The truth is that people who don't give a rats ass about knives, won't care about how "useful" a knife is or that it's an "awesome tool". The best thing you could do is to not make people more scared of knives than they already are by not using 4" giant folders or carrying a 6" fixed blade while going grocery shopping.

I've had many hobbies, and I came to realize that you can't impose your beliefs and interests onto other people who are simply not interested. If they want to do it or like it, they will do it on their own. I use to ride motorcycles, and that is by far the easiest thing to get people hooked onto without having to even try. Guns and knives, those are on the other end of the spectrum.
 
knives ARE weapons. We all know that. So does every rube you meet.

I respectfully disagree. A knife is not a weapon. Granted some knives are designed as weapons, those I will grant ARE weapons (when used as such). But to state that Knives are weapons is not the case. A chef knife, my pocket knife, actually almost every knife I own is not a weapon.

But every knife CAN be used as a weapon. Unfortunately most people who don't carry a knife on a regular basis don't understand this.

Say "I carry a knife" and people around here freak. I get stares of (literal) horror when I pull out my knife at work to cut a box open. Its all in the perception.

Flip on the TV, read the paper, watch a movie, play a video game... What do you see and hear people doing with knives? Stabbing, assaulting, robbery, murder. How often do you hear about people whittling, making a shelter, saving a life with a knife??? Want to change perception? Show and tell people about the good things you do with your knives. The same goes for guns too.
 
What about starting from ourselves - like stopping talking here on forum about knives as weapons?
Knives might be only as positive as their owners are. If the owner carries a knife "for self-defense" (not actually having any self-defense skills), shows it off with no regard for others and the knife image - because the knife makes him so much cooler than all the "shiple" around... what positive image are we talking about. And there are people like that here in the forum - feeling very OK.
Until we are successful in promoting this positive image for knives here in Bladeforums any dreams about going any further are just dreams and wasted breath. And I do not see it happening here any time soon - too many users see the knives as "combative/defensive instrument" mainly. :(

right to the core...

perception will NEVER change...too many showboating "tough guys" just gotta play with their steel in front of everybody...
 
I can beat someone to death with my keyboard...does that make it a weapon? I can also theoretically use it to write words that can possibly make someone kill themselves... does that too make it a weapon? or would I become the weapon at that point? my point is that its not necessarily the object that is the weapon but more likely the object AND the wielder... knives can be used as either tools or as instruments to inflict harm.. same with pretty much anything else in life.. its the PERSON and their INTENT and how they use that item or thing...the most dangerous weapon in the world is the human mind...
 
A knife is a tool unless used as a weapon. Same goes for a car, etc.

I think the mall ninjas give us a pretty bad name. Insecure individuals carrying dork ops-styled knives and seeking opportunities to mess around with their knife in inappropriate situations.
 
What about starting from ourselves - like stopping talking here on forum about knives as weapons?
Knives might be only as positive as their owners are. If the owner carries a knife "for self-defense" (not actually having any self-defense skills), shows it off with no regard for others and the knife image - because the knife makes him so much cooler than all the "shiple" around... what positive image are we talking about. And there are people like that here in the forum - feeling very OK.
Until we are successful in promoting this positive image for knives here in Bladeforums any dreams about going any further are just dreams and wasted breath. And I do not see it happening here any time soon - too many users see the knives as "combative/defensive instrument" mainly. :(

Should we show them some main-stream movie or some documentary? ;)

And that sums it it up perfectly!:thumbup:

As long as young knife buyers keep the manufactures in business pumping out more and more weapon looking wonder knives of the month, you're fighting a lost cause. The people most at fault for the anti knife feelings are the makers and the people right here. Add in Hollyweird and the media, and I sometimes think we will end up like England.

I grew up in an era where if a man had pants on, there was a pocket knife in a pocket. It was just expected. Many women carried a little pearl handled pen knife in their purse. But this was a very long time ago, and I admit I'm an old fart. It was a different era then. But I don't understand why the knives changed. Back then, Americans lived a more rural life, with people actually working on the farm. Now, most people seem to be cubicle office workers in a far more rural environment, where to be honest, you don't really need much knife. Yet, I see more and more young show off knife guys flipping their black mall ninja knives in public. They have become the James Dean of the modern age, like it or not. The rest of the citizens look at them as a threat, and rightfully so. The say presentation is everything, like first impressions. If people are down on knives, many of you have to go look in a mirror.

Knife enthusiasts make up less than one percent of the populace at large. We're a the tiny minority, and you'd better grasp that fact. Not to mention that the sheeple as you call them, vote. Keep flashing the knives in front of the sheeple and all it's going to take is one little old lady to call her senator who may be another Estes Kefauver looking for a cause to run a re-election campain around. Police yourselves before the law does it for you.

Most of Europe used be be pretty open for knives. Automatics were seen as a handy way to open a knife. When I was stationed in Germany, it was legal to carry them. It was so cool to be sitting in a outdoor pub drinking a good German brew, and hearing a snick, and seeing the guy at the next table with a nice Boker automatic slicing off a piece of sausage for his dog sitting under the table. But things changed. Crime, and juvinile violence made strict new knife laws, and now I understand it's much like England. Blade size restrctions, no atuos or assisted openers, no one handed opening, and so one. Think it can't happen here?

Add to that, that, manufacturers pay for product placement in movies. Car's, gun's, booze, KNIVES. They know what is seen on TV or the movies will sell big in the market place. And they are right. Just let a new knife appear on a TV show, and the next day right here it will be raved over and people saying they are getting one just like it. Heck, look at the knives of NCIS thread. Young and very impressionable viewers will buy what ever Gibbs and Denozzo cut thier steak with.

Want to change the knife image? Start thinking for yourselves, and stop bying into the hype of the knife magazines and the knife manufacturers they represent. Start taking a good look at your life, and figure how much and what kind of knife do you really need? For most of us, that's a far cry from what they would have us carry. This ain't the wild west, and no wild injuns are coming over the hill, we're not buffalo hunters or mountain men, and we're not members of a seal team.

I turned 70 years of age this year, and I've carried a knife for most of that since I was 10ish. Yet I've never, ever, had the bad experience using it in public that many of you have. I just don't carry the same kind of knife as most of you. Just a traditional pocket knife with a couple of blades. I've helped out young college guys who didn't have a knife, middle age people, older church ladies at a church lunch social. I've even had compliments on what " a pretty little knife" it was that I was carrying. In one instance it was a old Hen and Rooster stockman. Not a real small knife, about 4 inches long closed, with a 3 1/4 inch pointy clip blade. The lady was interested in the india stag handles, and thought it very beautiful. Another more recent case, I opened a box of books for the gray haired lady librarian. She was greatly interested in my knife. She called it a pretty piece of pocket jewelery. The knife in question was a Case peanut with Devin Thomas damascus blades and jigged amber bone scales. She was captivated by the texture of the damascus blades.

Most people operate on the duck principle. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it must be a duck. Same for knives. I've been using my knives in public for all my life, and have never got a bad comment. Yet I read here that time and time again, some "sheeple" as you like to call them react in a bad way to your knife. Maybe it's both the presentation and the knife itself. What do you look like and what does your knife look like? If you look or act outside of societies norm, you're going to get the hairy eyeball. Get over it. If you don't like it, then maybe consider conforming a little. It will help you in many ways. It wasn't ever socially acceptable in my day to pull an overly large knife in public. Most men carried a small two blade jack. some carried something a little bigger, but not much. Then James Dean hit and it was never the same again. In my day, a knife was a cutting tool. Pure and simple. It wasn't for self defense, it wasn't a weapon. A knife was seen even back then as a punk's weapon. If a man wanted to defend himself, he carried a gun, or if he didn't have a gun, a butt of a pool que, cut off piece of pickax handle under the car seat, or something like that. I don't think things have changed much. Now with the vast majority of states giving CCW's out, a gun is still the defense item. Some people carry pepper spray. Most of you will never need a knife for defense. But a knife is still a mandatory piece of gear for your pocket. I am of the opinion that every man over the mid teens should have a sharp cutting tool in his pocket. But it's just that, a tool. Treat it as tool, use it like a tool, and most people won't think otherwise. Go flipping out some mall ninja manufacturers idea of a Hollywood bad ass knife, and you're making us all look bad.

A knife is not cool. It does not give you some kind of cool aura just because you carry a knife of the month. Start behaving like a grown up, treat the knife like a simple tool, and use it like such, and people will see it and you in a different light. Change the image by changing yourselves. People respect the man, not the tool.

Carl.
 
There ain't nothing we can do. I got told at work I couldn't carry my Phat bob any more for "safety and security reasons" but I am still allowed my Leatherman. Yeh go figure the Leatherman has 2 blades, a saw, and many other point ends. No to mention has a longer blade and a blade shape that would be better suited for someone using it as weapon. If anyone owns a Phat bob you know the blade shape is not threatening in the slightest. Oh well, that's the sheeple for ya.
 
In general MOST peoples perception of knives is that they are weapons... Other than Kitchen knives that are in the House....

Add the way they are portrayed on TV and in the movies and some idiots that think they are Rambo or something....

All we can really do is pay attention to how and who is around when we use them around people and that our own personal appearance DOES MATTER as does our actions.

Like with guns picture a bunch of drunk idiots with guns hanging around the pickup truck in town....... Not a good thing....

Or some moron who thinks they are Rambo flipping out their bad 4" Tactical folder drawing attention to themselves.

In general the Macho wannabe Rambo attitude doesn't cut it with the general public.

It only takes a very small percentage of people to screw it up for all of us.......

It takes countless Millions of people and Decades to fix it.....

THINK with our brains BEFORE pulling out that knife......

Pulling out a knife in a restaurant..... REALLY???? :rolleyes:

If the food can't be cut with what they provide it's not worth eating, and remember what they provide works for the other 99.9% of people that eat there..... The other .1% just want to play with their toys... It's not a need, it's a want....
 
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A hand full of box cutters changed the Country I love forever.When you trade freedom for security you gain neither and until people understand that there's not much you can do.A KNIFE IS A TOOL!
 
How can we promote a positive image of knives?

Don't use them in stupid ways.

Walking around a walmart with a big fixed blade strapped to your hip or whipping out a 5in folder to open your mail in front of people probably won't help :)

I had planned on purchasing the new ZT 0777 and 0560 but after seeing them and reading their blade lengths i realized that probably isnt a good idea where i live and for what i use knives for (cutting packages open breaking down cardboard) am i legal to carry them? pretty sure yes... SHOULD i carry them? well i chose not to.. it would be massive overkill to carry an 8oz+ knife with a 4in blade to do a job a spyderco grasshopper can do.. I don't have any apparent manhood issues so iam comfortable with my smaller EDC's


like i said responsible use begins with the user

EDIT: i just wanted to add this is just my personal opinion based on where i live and what i use a knife for.. not meant to be argumentative in any way shape or form.
 
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