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You have it backwards, he is asking if the Begg is as good quality as a Sebenza, not the other way around.
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Yea that's what I mean I know the 21 is better, just wondering if I would sorry with a bodega....
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I haven’t owned a Bodega but by all accounts they are good knives. I haven’t heard any complaints about their quality.
I assume you are talking about the Begg Steelcraft series and not a custom Begg.
There is some legal issues between Todd Begg himself and the companies producing his designs with his name on it.
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I understood the question - it was a poke at the fanboys.
The quality of the Steelcraft is fine. Does it feel like a Sebenza? No. Does it look like a Sebenza? No
Will you be disappointed in the SteelCraft? That depends on your own preferences and expectations.
The sebenza is a great knife that I just don't love (to be honest, the hype and fanboys ruined it for me). The worst criticism I have of the knife is that the handle feels uninspired. It isn't uncomfortable in any position...I guess the best descriptor is neutral; and I know that, combined with the simplicity, it is what many people appreciate about it. I get that "it just works"...my disappointment is that I want to like how a knife feels in my hand, and the sebenza doesn't give me that. Could I get past it? Sure...but when I've got 2 or 3 handfuls of folders that do fulfil that simple want, I'm not compelled to force it. I periodically carry my Sebenza, and I recognize the quality every time (it isn't lost on me)...but, when the next day comes, I inevitably reach for something else & put the Sebenza away.
On the other hand, my initial reaction to the hand feel of the SteelCraft was more positive. Note that I said "initial". There's a reason that mine has sat in it's box after being carried 3 or 4 times, and never been used. (I bought it fully planning on using it). The aggressive jimping on the lockbar just hits me wrong - it isn't sharp; but, with the cutout on the opposite side, it stands quite proud. I rarely use a knife in the basic hammer grip; but it seems to be the first way a knife lands in my hands. The first time I went to actually use the SC Bodega, I noticed that jimping...I paused, closed the knife, and put it back in my pocket. (the basic thought being that if I was going to get rid of it, I should leave it unused.) When I got home that afternoon, I played with it a bit - and noticed that it was only in that position that it bothered me...but I felt it every time I opened the knife. The SteelCraft went back in it's box, and hasn't been out until I pulled it for the above posted pictures. It's a still a great knife, as is the sebenza, and it fell out of standing with me for essentially the same reason.
*Before I receive the requisite comments about toughening up my hands, the jimping doesn't hurt...it just stands proud enough that I am more aware of it than I think is necessary. Jimping can be effective without being overly obvious. Yes, this jimping would be of tremendous benefit if one was wearing work gloves; as, combined with the relief on the non-lock side, it makes the lock incredibly easy to access & use.
In short, Spunky45, if you are looking for the same hydraulic feel, you'll be disappointed. If you are looking for a solid flipper, and don't mind the size increase, you're likely to be pleased. I want to thank you for this thread - it put both of those knives back in my hand, and I find myself inclined to pocket them again. I know better than to expect a different reaction; but...baby steps
The quality of the Steelcraft is fine. Does it feel like a Sebenza? No. Does it look like a Sebenza? No
Will you be disappointed in the SteelCraft? That depends on your own preferences and expectations.
The sebenza is a great knife that I just don't love (to be honest, the hype and fanboys ruined it for me). The worst criticism I have of the knife is that the handle feels uninspired. It isn't uncomfortable in any position...I guess the best descriptor is neutral; and I know that, combined with the simplicity, it is what many people appreciate about it. I get that "it just works"...my disappointment is that I want to like how a knife feels in my hand, and the sebenza doesn't give me that. Could I get past it? Sure...but when I've got 2 or 3 handfuls of folders that do fulfil that simple want, I'm not compelled to force it. I periodically carry my Sebenza, and I recognize the quality every time (it isn't lost on me)...but, when the next day comes, I inevitably reach for something else & put the Sebenza away.
On the other hand, my initial reaction to the hand feel of the SteelCraft was more positive. Note that I said "initial". There's a reason that mine has sat in it's box after being carried 3 or 4 times, and never been used. (I bought it fully planning on using it). The aggressive jimping on the lockbar just hits me wrong - it isn't sharp; but, with the cutout on the opposite side, it stands quite proud. I rarely use a knife in the basic hammer grip; but it seems to be the first way a knife lands in my hands. The first time I went to actually use the SC Bodega, I noticed that jimping...I paused, closed the knife, and put it back in my pocket. (the basic thought being that if I was going to get rid of it, I should leave it unused.) When I got home that afternoon, I played with it a bit - and noticed that it was only in that position that it bothered me...but I felt it every time I opened the knife. The SteelCraft went back in it's box, and hasn't been out until I pulled it for the above posted pictures. It's a still a great knife, as is the sebenza, and it fell out of standing with me for essentially the same reason.
*Before I receive the requisite comments about toughening up my hands, the jimping doesn't hurt...it just stands proud enough that I am more aware of it than I think is necessary. Jimping can be effective without being overly obvious. Yes, this jimping would be of tremendous benefit if one was wearing work gloves; as, combined with the relief on the non-lock side, it makes the lock incredibly easy to access & use.
In short, Spunky45, if you are looking for the same hydraulic feel, you'll be disappointed. If you are looking for a solid flipper, and don't mind the size increase, you're likely to be pleased. I want to thank you for this thread - it put both of those knives back in my hand, and I find myself inclined to pocket them again. I know better than to expect a different reaction; but...baby steps
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I understood the question - it was a poke at the fanboys.
The quality of the Steelcraft is fine. Does it feel like a Sebenza? No. Does it look like a Sebenza? No
Will you be disappointed in the SteelCraft? That depends on your own preferences and expectations.
The sebenza is a great knife that I just don't love (to be honest, the hype and fanboys ruined it for me). The worst criticism I have of the knife is that the handle feels uninspired. It isn't uncomfortable in any position...I guess the best descriptor is neutral; and I know that, combined with the simplicity, it is what many people appreciate about it. I get that "it just works"...my disappointment is that I want to like how a knife feels in my hand, and the sebenza doesn't give me that. Could I get past it? Sure...but when I've got 2 or 3 handfuls of folders that do fulfil that simple want, I'm not compelled to force it. I periodically carry my Sebenza, and I recognize the quality every time (it isn't lost on me)...but, when the next day comes, I inevitably reach for something else & put the Sebenza away.
On the other hand, my initial reaction to the hand feel of the SteelCraft was more positive. Note that I said "initial". There's a reason that mine has sat in it's box after being carried 3 or 4 times, and never been used. (I bought it fully planning on using it). The aggressive jimping on the lockbar just hits me wrong - it isn't sharp; but, with the cutout on the opposite side, it stands quite proud. I rarely use a knife in the basic hammer grip; but it seems to be the first way a knife lands in my hands. The first time I went to actually use the SC Bodega, I noticed that jimping...I paused, closed the knife, and put it back in my pocket. (the basic thought being that if I was going to get rid of it, I should leave it unused.) When I got home that afternoon, I played with it a bit - and noticed that it was only in that position that it bothered me...but I felt it every time I opened the knife. The SteelCraft went back in it's box, and hasn't been out until I pulled it for the above posted pictures. It's a still a great knife, as is the sebenza, and it fell out of standing with me for essentially the same reason.
*Before I receive the requisite comments about toughening up my hands, the jimping doesn't hurt...it just stands proud enough that I am more aware of it than I think is necessary. Jimping can be effective without being overly obvious. Yes, this jimping would be of tremendous benefit if one was wearing work gloves; as, combined with the relief on the non-lock side, it makes the lock incredibly easy to access & use.
In short, Spunky45, if you are looking for the same hydraulic feel, you'll be disappointed. If you are looking for a solid flipper, and don't mind the size increase, you're likely to be pleased. I want to thank you for this thread - it put both of those knives back in my hand, and I find myself inclined to pocket them again. I know better than to expect a different reaction; but...baby steps
Sebenza/ CRKs not perfect in everyway!!??!! How dare you!!
I would much rather people be honest and carry what they like than bow down to the Sebenza
I regularly swap out CRKs for Spydercos (Manix, Delica, Endura) because, dare I say it
, they are more ergonomic and tend to cut better on average than a CRK CRKs still cut very well and I get more enjoyment out of them.
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Great response, very informative thanks much......I understood the question - it was a poke at the fanboys.I do have an Zaan and like that, I traded a lg 21 for a small but I bent a washer and had to send it in...so not sure on that yet.
The quality of the Steelcraft is fine. Does it feel like a Sebenza? No. Does it look like a Sebenza? No
Will you be disappointed in the SteelCraft? That depends on your own preferences and expectations.
The sebenza is a great knife that I just don't love (to be honest, the hype and fanboys ruined it for me). The worst criticism I have of the knife is that the handle feels uninspired. It isn't uncomfortable in any position...I guess the best descriptor is neutral; and I know that, combined with the simplicity, it is what many people appreciate about it. I get that "it just works"...my disappointment is that I want to like how a knife feels in my hand, and the sebenza doesn't give me that. Could I get past it? Sure...but when I've got 2 or 3 handfuls of folders that do fulfil that simple want, I'm not compelled to force it. I periodically carry my Sebenza, and I recognize the quality every time (it isn't lost on me)...but, when the next day comes, I inevitably reach for something else & put the Sebenza away.
On the other hand, my initial reaction to the hand feel of the SteelCraft was more positive. Note that I said "initial". There's a reason that mine has sat in it's box after being carried 3 or 4 times, and never been used. (I bought it fully planning on using it). The aggressive jimping on the lockbar just hits me wrong - it isn't sharp; but, with the cutout on the opposite side, it stands quite proud. I rarely use a knife in the basic hammer grip; but it seems to be the first way a knife lands in my hands. The first time I went to actually use the SC Bodega, I noticed that jimping...I paused, closed the knife, and put it back in my pocket. (the basic thought being that if I was going to get rid of it, I should leave it unused.) When I got home that afternoon, I played with it a bit - and noticed that it was only in that position that it bothered me...but I felt it every time I opened the knife. The SteelCraft went back in it's box, and hasn't been out until I pulled it for the above posted pictures. It's a still a great knife, as is the sebenza, and it fell out of standing with me for essentially the same reason.
*Before I receive the requisite comments about toughening up my hands, the jimping doesn't hurt...it just stands proud enough that I am more aware of it than I think is necessary. Jimping can be effective without being overly obvious. Yes, this jimping would be of tremendous benefit if one was wearing work gloves; as, combined with the relief on the non-lock side, it makes the lock incredibly easy to access & use.
In short, Spunky45, if you are looking for the same hydraulic feel, you'll be disappointed. If you are looking for a solid flipper, and don't mind the size increase, you're likely to be pleased. I want to thank you for this thread - it put both of those knives back in my hand, and I find myself inclined to pocket them again. I know better than to expect a different reaction; but...baby steps
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The way you stuck that comment about liking the zaan, and trading the large for a small, into the quote of my post makes it look like I said those things.
Take a look at my second image - and consider how the lockbar jimping might affect you during use. It's pretty obvious against that background. If your typical hand position leaves a finger there, it could become a hotspot. Of all the threads I've seen about the SteelCraft Bodega, though, I don't recall seeing anybody else mention it. Maybe people don't actually use them? Or maybe I'm just a pain in the ass (guilty, as charged). Or...maybe, as I noted about myself, people aren't holding the knife that way during use; so it isn't really a practical issue. Regardless, the SteelCraft Bodega is another case of a great knife that I wish I liked more...and recognize that my reason for not doing so is part of my own idiosyncrasies.
Take a look at my second image - and consider how the lockbar jimping might affect you during use. It's pretty obvious against that background. If your typical hand position leaves a finger there, it could become a hotspot. Of all the threads I've seen about the SteelCraft Bodega, though, I don't recall seeing anybody else mention it. Maybe people don't actually use them? Or maybe I'm just a pain in the ass (guilty, as charged). Or...maybe, as I noted about myself, people aren't holding the knife that way during use; so it isn't really a practical issue. Regardless, the SteelCraft Bodega is another case of a great knife that I wish I liked more...and recognize that my reason for not doing so is part of my own idiosyncrasies.
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Sorry I wondered where the hell that statement I made went, again sorry.all I was trying to say is the umnumzaan is the only CRK I like...
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I thought I would revisit this thread to give a bit of an update. I ended up posting the SC Bodega on the Exchange - I left it there for less than 48 hrs before pulling it. Why? Because, on a whim, I stuck it in my pocket - figuring I would give it another chance. To my surprise, it didn't end there. I have carried it more often than not since that day (I did switch out to something smaller & more subtle for work), and decided that I genuinely like it. It's easy to get in a rut, based on various needs and preferences - I LIKE large knives like the 0200 and Bodega; but often find myself carrying smaller, slimmer, lighter knives due to attire and/or environment...then, grabbing them out of habit even when those things aren't factors. I've grown to appreciate things like the GM3, Spider Monkey, Mantra2 and Positron; but there's just something satisfying about a handful of knife like the 0200 or Bodega that I don't feel with the smaller knives.
The SC Bodega is going to be here for a while...
Since this thread was about the SC Bodega vs the Large 21, I'll admit that I pocketed the insingo a day or two after my last entry in this thread. Still a nice knife; but, at the end of the day, it got put away in favor of "lesser" knives.
spunky45
What did you decide? Did you go for the SC Bodega?
The SC Bodega is going to be here for a while...
Since this thread was about the SC Bodega vs the Large 21, I'll admit that I pocketed the insingo a day or two after my last entry in this thread. Still a nice knife; but, at the end of the day, it got put away in favor of "lesser" knives.
spunky45
What did you decide? Did you go for the SC Bodega?
yep, totally agree with you. had the chance of checking a Sebenza 21 closely - a real beauty!
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