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Justin Uthadude

Justin Uthadude

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Know nothing newbie.
Long time lurker.

Recently bought my first knife in a long time. It was an Ontario rat II. Loved that knife, but lost it like a pair of sunglasses. You know, don't know where or when. So I decided to buy a better knife, thinking I would pay more attention to one that cost more. Couldn't make up my mind what to buy, so I got a delicate4 in VG10, a mini grip in 154 and a Kershaw blur in S30V. Then I ordered an 8 inch Norton India and Crystolon stone to learn to sharpen. Then I read that I should get a cheapie knife to learn on. Not to use my good knives. (they may not be good knives to you blade nuts, but they're the best I have).


I found a cheapie knife on a website that said made in America with D2 steel, but for $15, I'm sure it's just Chinese junk, which is OK to learn on in my book. After surfing the web, the picture of the knife matches pictures I've seen of an American knife made by a company called Sebenza. I don't believe in copying software or downloading illegal music. I believe the author should get his due for his work. This knife isn't going to be my EDC. Just something to practice on and sit on my desk to open letters and what not, but it doesn't sit well with me. What should I do? How the hell do you guys know when a knife is a clone? There seems to be so damn many knives on the market. Guidance would be appreciated. Thank you.
 
if ya already have it use it. no point in wasting a knife fake or not once it made. just dont buy anymore fakes. problem solved.

price point is one way. if a real one sells for 300 bucks no way will anyone sell a real for 50 100 or less. study the real ones and that helps tell and spot fakes, but fakes get better on details every year. buy from authorized dealers, not amazon and ebay sellers. its a good start anyways to not get duped....
 
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The people making the fakes are still making money at $15 because they are cheap junk. Buying it supports them and encourages them to make more. There are a lot of words in this forum dedicated to spotting fakes and clones because they are a real problem, and not just for the knife world. If you want to learn to sharpen, go get a cheap Green Mountain or Old Hickory knife; they are cheap and good learners. Or go get a throwaway kitchen knife from Target, dull the edge on some wood, and see what you can do.
 
Not much you can do about cloning, but way to go for realizing it was probably a clone and not buying it.

Now for a knife to sharpen on, go to Walmart and get one of their $3.89 Ozark trail folders.
https://www.bladeforums.com/posts/17175446/
The problem with unknown cheapo Chinese knives is that who knows if the steel they used is capable of taking an edge. Even cheap kitchen knives can be incapable of taking a real edge.
These Ozark trail folders can actually be sharpened, and that's all you need for practicing on.
 
Justin Uthadude said:
Know nothing newbie.
Long time lurker.

Recently bought my first knife in a long time. It was an Ontario rat II. Loved that knife, but lost it like a pair of sunglasses. You know, don't know where or when. So I decided to buy a better knife, thinking I would pay more attention to one that cost more. Couldn't make up my mind what to buy, so I got a delicate4 in VG10, a mini grip in 154 and a Kershaw blur in S30V. Then I ordered an 8 inch Norton India and Crystolon stone to learn to sharpen. Then I read that I should get a cheapie knife to learn on. Not to use my good knives. (they may not be good knives to you blade nuts, but they're the best I have).


I found a cheapie knife on a website that said made in America with D2 steel, but for $15, I'm sure it's just Chinese junk, which is OK to learn on in my book. After surfing the web, the picture of the knife matches pictures I've seen of an American knife made by a company called Sebenza. I don't believe in copying software or downloading illegal music. I believe the author should get his due for his work. This knife isn't going to be my EDC. Just something to practice on and sit on my desk to open letters and what not, but it doesn't sit well with me. What should I do? How the hell do you guys know when a knife is a clone? There seems to be so damn many knives on the market. Guidance would be appreciated. Thank you.
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The company that makes the original is Chris Reeve Knives. Their most popular model is the Sebenza. Look them up.
 
Good on you for not buying a clone. Head on over to Bladehq and get you a Kershaw Injection to practice with. They're good knives at an unbeatable price and they'll help you practice.
 
Nothing wrong in getting duped, especially when you are new to the scene. If I were you, I'd use it as a practice knife just as you intended.

Also, you will find a warm welcome here when it comes to your attitude about NOT supporting clones and counterfeits. To me, it often feels like this hobby is increasingly accepting of such theft but BF (with the occasional exception) manages to maintain its honor.

There are three ways to avoid clones:

1) Moar knowledge. It's very hard to avoid clones unless you not only know about the knives you are buying but the market for those knives.

2) Buy from reputable dealers (BF is a good place to identify those) when buying new and on BF when buying used (so that you can identify the exact provenance of the knife).

3) Be involved in the knife community (as much knowledge as you might have, the community has more).

Basically, become active here. ;)
 
Insipid Moniker said:
Good on you for not buying a clone. Head on over to Bladehq and get you a Kershaw Injection to practice with. They're good knives at an unbeatable price and they'll help you practice.
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This, in spades.

You can get both sizes, the 3 inch and the 3.5 inch, for less than $25. Great blades to practice on.
 
Welcome to Blade Forums! Good on you for not wanting to support clones and theft!

If you ever have any questions about whether a knife is legit, feel free to ask them here. Don't post links to non-supporting websites but you can certainly mention the brand and model.

In terms of sharpening, I think a Spyderco Sharpmaker is a good place to start. The angled sharpening rods do a great job of training your hand. In my opinion flat stones are harder to learn on and can lead to frustration.

Another great, cheap knife to play around with is the Kizer/Tangram Sante Fe. They run right around $25 and are a heck of a knife for the money.
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Thank y'all.
Ordered the Kershaw. Looks like a great knife. One question. How can a knife that only cost $10 have G 10 scales when it seems like spyderco (and others) seems to want $40 just to upgrade one of their knives to G 10?

Also, thanks for the advice on the sharpmaker, but if I swipe left on my Compass app on my phone, it turns into an inclinometer. I can just lean my sharpening stones up against the wall on my workbench and get any angle I want, instead of just two angles that the sharpmaker offers. Presto - homemade sharpmaker.
 
Justin Uthadude said:
Thank y'all.
Ordered the Kershaw. Looks like a great knife. One question. How can a knife that only cost $10 have G 10 scales when it seems like spyderco (and others) seems to want $40 just to upgrade one of their knives to G 10?

Also, thanks for the advice on the sharpmaker, but if I swipe left on my Compass app on my phone, it turns into an inclinometer. I can just lean my sharpening stones up against the wall on my workbench and get any angle I want, instead of just two angles that the sharpmaker offers. Presto - homemade sharpmaker.
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Because every other material on the knife is inexpensive, other brands use more expensive materials overall.
 
the knife you are referring to is called sebenza by the brand Chris Reeve your knife is a fake because Chris Reeve only uses s35vn and his folding knives start at $350

a good way to find out if a knife is fake it to look up a knife on a reputable dealers website and look at the price if the price is around the same price as on the reputable dealers it’s a fairly good way to tell if a knife is fake ( not a full proof method) the best way to not buy a fake is buy from a reputable dealer.
 
Justin Uthadude said:
Thank y'all.
Ordered the Kershaw. Looks like a great knife. One question. How can a knife that only cost $10 have G 10 scales when it seems like spyderco (and others) seems to want $40 just to upgrade one of their knives to G 10?

Also, thanks for the advice on the sharpmaker, but if I swipe left on my Compass app on my phone, it turns into an inclinometer. I can just lean my sharpening stones up against the wall on my workbench and get any angle I want, instead of just two angles that the sharpmaker offers. Presto - homemade sharpmaker.
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For reasons beyond me, the Injection 3.0 and 3.5 just didn't seem to catch on, so now you see them on sale pretty regularly for ridiculously low prices. I think they were initially priced around $30-35 which is, honestly, not at all an unfair price for what you get, but now dealers seem to be dumping stock and we benefit.

I really think those two knives may be the most underrated budget folders currently on the market.
 
Justin Uthadude said:
Thank y'all.
Ordered the Kershaw. Looks like a great knife. One question. How can a knife that only cost $10 have G 10 scales when it seems like spyderco (and others) seems to want $40 just to upgrade one of their knives to G 10?

Also, thanks for the advice on the sharpmaker, but if I swipe left on my Compass app on my phone, it turns into an inclinometer. I can just lean my sharpening stones up against the wall on my workbench and get any angle I want, instead of just two angles that the sharpmaker offers. Presto - homemade sharpmaker.
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The Kershaw Injection was originally going for around $25, but it may have been discontinued. That's usually when you find the deals.

Edit : Insipid beat me to it, and may have a more accurate historical price.
 
Beat me to it. The Injection is a great deal at today's prices and easy to get sharp. Great choice.
 
Munchy said:
The Kershaw Injection was originally going for around $25, but it may have been discontinued. That's usually when you find the deals.

Edit : Insipid beat me to it, and may have a more accurate historical price.
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Wow,
Knowing that, I don't want to destroy it by my feeble sharpening attempts. Think I'll use that as my desk letter opener and give the Chinese clone to someone without a knife, then buy one of those Ozark trails at Walmart to practice on. The one I see has serrations, but what the hell, if I'm going to destroy it might as well go big time. LOL

P.S. Blade HQ was very helpful.
 
Justin Uthadude said:
Wow,
Knowing that, I don't want to destroy it by my feeble sharpening attempts. Think I'll use that as my desk letter opener and give the Chinese clone to someone without a knife, then buy one of those Ozark trails at Walmart to practice on. The one I see has serrations, but what the hell, if I'm going to destroy it might as well go big time. LOL

P.S. Blade HQ was very helpful.
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Don't be afraid to practice on it, that's why you bought it. If you end up trashing it, send me a message and I'll send you two of them for free.
 
Don't be too worried about beating the Injection up some. One of the things that makes the price so crazy is that Kershaw has one of the best warranties in the game.
 
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