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Thanks Hank!!
Here is the info that I was talking about. I urge everyone to print this out and give a copy to any women that you care about. Hope this does some good
Important For Women
>
>If you are ever thrown into the trunk of a car, kick out the back tail
>lights and stick your arm out the hole and start waving like crazy. The
>driver won't see you but everybody else will. This has saved lives.
>
>A personal safety workshop was given by an amazing man, Pat Malone, who has
>been a body guard for famous figures like Farrah Fawcett and Sylvester
>Stallone. He works for the FBI, and teaches police officers and Navy SEALS
>hand-to-hand combat. This man has seen it all, and knows a lot. He focused
>his teachings on HOW TO AVOID BEING THE VICTIM OF A VIOLENT CRIME. He gave
>some statistics about how much the occurrences of random violence have
>escalated over the recent years, and it's terrible. Something like 99% of
>us will be exposed to, or become a victim of a violent crime.
>
>Here are some of the most important points out of his presentation:
>
>(1.) The three reasons women are easy targets for random acts of violence
>are:
>
>(a.) Lack of Awareness--You MUST know where you are & what's going on
>around you.
>
>(b.) Body Language--Keep your head up, swing your arms, stand straight up.
>
>(c.) Wrong Place / Wrong Time--DON'T walk alone in an alley, or drive in a
>bad neighborhood at night.
>
>(2.) Women have a tendency to get into their cars after shopping, eating,
>working, etc, and just sit (doing their checkbook, or making a list, etc).
>
>DON'T DO THIS! The predator will be watching you, and this is the perfect
>opportunity for him to get in the passenger side, put a gun to your head,
>and tell you where to go. AS SOON AS YOU GET INTO YOUR CAR, LOCK THE DOORS
>AND LEAVE.
>
>(a.) A few notes about getting into your car in a parking lot, or parking
>garage: Be aware: look around you, look into your car, at the passenger
>side floor, and in the back seat.
>
>(b.) If you are parked next to a big van, enter your car from the passenger
>door. Most serial killers attack their victims by pulling them into their
>vans while the women are attempting to get into their cars.
>
>(c.) Look at the car parked on the driver's side of your vehicle, and the
>passenger side. If a male is sitting alone in the seat nearest your car,
>you may want to walk back into the mall, or work, and get a guard or
>policeman to walk you back out. IT IS ALWAYS BETTER TO BE SAFE THAN SORRY.
>(Better paranoid than dead.)
>
>(3.) ALWAYS take the elevator instead of the stairs. (Stairwells are
>horrible places to be alone and the perfect crime spot).
>
>(a.) Do not get on an elevator if there is a weirdo already on there. (Of
>course bad men don't always look bad).
>
>(b.) Do not stand back in the corners of the elevator, be near the front,
>by the doors, ready to get off or on.
>
>(c.) If you get on the elevator on the 25th floor, and the Boogie Man gets
>on the 22nd, get off when he gets on.
>
>(4) If the predator has a gun and you are not under his control, ALWAYS
>RUN!
>
>(a.) Police make only 4 of 10 shots when they are in range of 3-9 feet.
>This is due to stress.
>
>(b.) The predator will only hit you (a running target) 4 in 100 times. And
>even then, it most likely WILL NOT be a vital organ. RUN!
>
>(5.) As women, we are always trying to be sympathetic: STOP IT! It may get
>you raped, or killed.
>
>(a.) Ted Bundy, the serial killer, was a good-looking well-educated man,
>who ALWAYS played on the sympathies of unsuspecting women. He walked with a
>cane, or a limp, and often asked "for help" into his vehicle or with his
>vehicle, which is when he abducted his next victim.
>
>(b.) Pat Malone told us the story of his daughter, who came out of the mall
>and was walking to her car when she noticed 2 older ladies in front of her.
>Then she saw a police car come towards her with cops who said hello. She
>also noticed that all eight of the handicap spots in the area were empty.
>As she neared her car she saw a man a few rows over calling to her for
>help. He wanted her to close his passenger side door. He was sitting in the
>driver's side, and said he was handicapped. He continued calling, until she
>turned and headed back to the mall, and then he began cursing at her. In
>the meantime, she wondered why he didn't ask the 2 older ladies, or the
>policeman for help, and why he was not parked in any of the empty handicap
>spots. As she got back to the mall, two male friends of hers were exiting,
>and as she told them the story, and turned to point at the car, the man was
>getting out of the back seat into the front, and the car sped away.
>
>DON'T GET CAUGHT IN THIS TRAP.
>
>(6.). Tips to saving your life, if you have gotten into a violent
>situation:
>
>(a.) REACT IMMEDIATELY. If he abducts you in a parking lot, and is taking
>you to an abandoned area, DON'T LET HIM GET YOU TO THAT AREA. If you are
>driving, react immediately in the situation, and crash your car while still
>going 5 mph. If he's driving, find the right time, and stick your fingers
>in his eyes. He must watch the road, so choose an unsuspecting time, and
>gouge him. It is your ONLY defense. While he is in shock, GET OUT. (This
>sounds gross, but the alternative is your fault if you do not act.)
>
>(b.) RESIST Don't go along with him: run, if you are able: DON'T EVER GIVE
>UP! You DO NOT want to get to a crime scene.
>
>(7.) Always keep your distance when walking past strangers on the street or
>in dark areas.
>
>(8.) GET A CELL PHONE. There are packages for $19.95 a month that allow you
>to program only 911 into the dialing out program. (This is an alternative
>for parents who say it is too expensive for their kids to have a cell
>phone.)
>
>(9.) BREAK DOWNS: Make every effort to avoid this by ALWAYS keeping your
>car in good working order.
>
>(a.) If your car breaks down: LOCK YOUR DOORS. You better have a cell phone
>to call for help.
>
>(b). If you don't have a cell phone: (shame on you) keep a blanket, warm
>clothes, a pair of boots, and a flashlight in your car always for
>emergencies.
>
>(c.) If it's noon on a business day, you may want to put your hazards on
>and walk to safety.
>
>(d.) If it's 2 a.m, put on your warm clothes, and walk to a lighted area.
>You are a perfect target if you are sitting in your car when it's broken
>down. Predators search the highways for easy targets like you.
>
>(e.) If you're on a desolate road: walk away from the car (in your warm
>clothes) and go to some bushes, or some area AWAY from your vehicles. It
>will be cold, and uncomfortable, but you DO NOT want to stay in your car,
>and there are no psycho bogeymen waiting in the bushes who knew you were
>going to break down there and then.
>
>(10.) Physical defenses that we can use against the violent predator:
>
>(a.) The EYES are the most vulnerable part of thebody. Poke him there HARD.
>It may be your, only window of opportunity.
>
>(b.) The neck is also a vulnerable spot, but you MUST know where to grip,
>AND HAVE THE STRENGTH to cut off his breath.
>
>(c.) The last place is the KNEES. Everyone's knees are very vulnerable, and
>a swift kick here will take anyone down. -- A cautionary note about these
>things. If you do not do these things right the first time, you are in
>trouble, because it will only anger the individual, and that anger will be
>TAKEN OUT ON YOU. I'm not saying don't attempt them (it may be your only
>hope), but be forceful when you do.
>
>(11.) If you are walking alone in the dark (which you shouldn't be) and you
>find him following/chasing you:
>
>(a.) Scream "FIRE!", and not "help". People don't want to get involved when
>people yell "help", but "fire" draws attention because people are nosy.
>
>(b.) RUN!
>
>(c.) Find an obstacle, such as a parked car, and run around it, like Ring
>Around the Rosie. This may sound silly, but over the years, five women have
>told Pat Malone that this SAVED THEIR LIVES.
>
>(d.) Your last hope is getting under the car. Once you are under there,
>there are tons of things to hold on to, and he will not be able to get you
>out and will not come under for you (most likely). Usually they give up by
>this point. The catch here is that YOU MUST PRACTICE GETTING UNDER THE CAR.
>You must have a plan (he will have one); know if you will be going on your
>back, front, from the side or back of the car. It must be practiced.
>
>(12.) Never let yourself or anyone that you know be a "CLOSER" in any type
>of business (bar, store, restaurant, gas station). Pat knew Danielle, who
>was a girl that just died from being shot point-blank by some kids while
>she was closing at the local gas station. He talked with her the night
>before she died, and asked whether it ever scared her to close alone. She
>said yes, but said, "I'll be all right, Pat. I'll be alright." She wasn't.
>
>Our world is not as safe as we pretend that it is, and living in our
>fantasy worlds WILL get us in trouble, sooner or later. Pat Malone said,
>again and again, that the women who die EVERY MINUTE from violent crimes
>expected to go to bed tonight, and get up tomorrow. No one expects it, but
>we must be prepared and be aware so that we HAVE A PLAN. BE PREPARED TO
>ACT! AND ACT HARD! HAVE A PLAN! I would encourage you to pass this on to
>all women, not just your friends and family, but everybody. We all need to
>hear it.
>
>
Here is the info that I was talking about. I urge everyone to print this out and give a copy to any women that you care about. Hope this does some good
Important For Women
>
>If you are ever thrown into the trunk of a car, kick out the back tail
>lights and stick your arm out the hole and start waving like crazy. The
>driver won't see you but everybody else will. This has saved lives.
>
>A personal safety workshop was given by an amazing man, Pat Malone, who has
>been a body guard for famous figures like Farrah Fawcett and Sylvester
>Stallone. He works for the FBI, and teaches police officers and Navy SEALS
>hand-to-hand combat. This man has seen it all, and knows a lot. He focused
>his teachings on HOW TO AVOID BEING THE VICTIM OF A VIOLENT CRIME. He gave
>some statistics about how much the occurrences of random violence have
>escalated over the recent years, and it's terrible. Something like 99% of
>us will be exposed to, or become a victim of a violent crime.
>
>Here are some of the most important points out of his presentation:
>
>(1.) The three reasons women are easy targets for random acts of violence
>are:
>
>(a.) Lack of Awareness--You MUST know where you are & what's going on
>around you.
>
>(b.) Body Language--Keep your head up, swing your arms, stand straight up.
>
>(c.) Wrong Place / Wrong Time--DON'T walk alone in an alley, or drive in a
>bad neighborhood at night.
>
>(2.) Women have a tendency to get into their cars after shopping, eating,
>working, etc, and just sit (doing their checkbook, or making a list, etc).
>
>DON'T DO THIS! The predator will be watching you, and this is the perfect
>opportunity for him to get in the passenger side, put a gun to your head,
>and tell you where to go. AS SOON AS YOU GET INTO YOUR CAR, LOCK THE DOORS
>AND LEAVE.
>
>(a.) A few notes about getting into your car in a parking lot, or parking
>garage: Be aware: look around you, look into your car, at the passenger
>side floor, and in the back seat.
>
>(b.) If you are parked next to a big van, enter your car from the passenger
>door. Most serial killers attack their victims by pulling them into their
>vans while the women are attempting to get into their cars.
>
>(c.) Look at the car parked on the driver's side of your vehicle, and the
>passenger side. If a male is sitting alone in the seat nearest your car,
>you may want to walk back into the mall, or work, and get a guard or
>policeman to walk you back out. IT IS ALWAYS BETTER TO BE SAFE THAN SORRY.
>(Better paranoid than dead.)
>
>(3.) ALWAYS take the elevator instead of the stairs. (Stairwells are
>horrible places to be alone and the perfect crime spot).
>
>(a.) Do not get on an elevator if there is a weirdo already on there. (Of
>course bad men don't always look bad).
>
>(b.) Do not stand back in the corners of the elevator, be near the front,
>by the doors, ready to get off or on.
>
>(c.) If you get on the elevator on the 25th floor, and the Boogie Man gets
>on the 22nd, get off when he gets on.
>
>(4) If the predator has a gun and you are not under his control, ALWAYS
>RUN!
>
>(a.) Police make only 4 of 10 shots when they are in range of 3-9 feet.
>This is due to stress.
>
>(b.) The predator will only hit you (a running target) 4 in 100 times. And
>even then, it most likely WILL NOT be a vital organ. RUN!
>
>(5.) As women, we are always trying to be sympathetic: STOP IT! It may get
>you raped, or killed.
>
>(a.) Ted Bundy, the serial killer, was a good-looking well-educated man,
>who ALWAYS played on the sympathies of unsuspecting women. He walked with a
>cane, or a limp, and often asked "for help" into his vehicle or with his
>vehicle, which is when he abducted his next victim.
>
>(b.) Pat Malone told us the story of his daughter, who came out of the mall
>and was walking to her car when she noticed 2 older ladies in front of her.
>Then she saw a police car come towards her with cops who said hello. She
>also noticed that all eight of the handicap spots in the area were empty.
>As she neared her car she saw a man a few rows over calling to her for
>help. He wanted her to close his passenger side door. He was sitting in the
>driver's side, and said he was handicapped. He continued calling, until she
>turned and headed back to the mall, and then he began cursing at her. In
>the meantime, she wondered why he didn't ask the 2 older ladies, or the
>policeman for help, and why he was not parked in any of the empty handicap
>spots. As she got back to the mall, two male friends of hers were exiting,
>and as she told them the story, and turned to point at the car, the man was
>getting out of the back seat into the front, and the car sped away.
>
>DON'T GET CAUGHT IN THIS TRAP.
>
>(6.). Tips to saving your life, if you have gotten into a violent
>situation:
>
>(a.) REACT IMMEDIATELY. If he abducts you in a parking lot, and is taking
>you to an abandoned area, DON'T LET HIM GET YOU TO THAT AREA. If you are
>driving, react immediately in the situation, and crash your car while still
>going 5 mph. If he's driving, find the right time, and stick your fingers
>in his eyes. He must watch the road, so choose an unsuspecting time, and
>gouge him. It is your ONLY defense. While he is in shock, GET OUT. (This
>sounds gross, but the alternative is your fault if you do not act.)
>
>(b.) RESIST Don't go along with him: run, if you are able: DON'T EVER GIVE
>UP! You DO NOT want to get to a crime scene.
>
>(7.) Always keep your distance when walking past strangers on the street or
>in dark areas.
>
>(8.) GET A CELL PHONE. There are packages for $19.95 a month that allow you
>to program only 911 into the dialing out program. (This is an alternative
>for parents who say it is too expensive for their kids to have a cell
>phone.)
>
>(9.) BREAK DOWNS: Make every effort to avoid this by ALWAYS keeping your
>car in good working order.
>
>(a.) If your car breaks down: LOCK YOUR DOORS. You better have a cell phone
>to call for help.
>
>(b). If you don't have a cell phone: (shame on you) keep a blanket, warm
>clothes, a pair of boots, and a flashlight in your car always for
>emergencies.
>
>(c.) If it's noon on a business day, you may want to put your hazards on
>and walk to safety.
>
>(d.) If it's 2 a.m, put on your warm clothes, and walk to a lighted area.
>You are a perfect target if you are sitting in your car when it's broken
>down. Predators search the highways for easy targets like you.
>
>(e.) If you're on a desolate road: walk away from the car (in your warm
>clothes) and go to some bushes, or some area AWAY from your vehicles. It
>will be cold, and uncomfortable, but you DO NOT want to stay in your car,
>and there are no psycho bogeymen waiting in the bushes who knew you were
>going to break down there and then.
>
>(10.) Physical defenses that we can use against the violent predator:
>
>(a.) The EYES are the most vulnerable part of thebody. Poke him there HARD.
>It may be your, only window of opportunity.
>
>(b.) The neck is also a vulnerable spot, but you MUST know where to grip,
>AND HAVE THE STRENGTH to cut off his breath.
>
>(c.) The last place is the KNEES. Everyone's knees are very vulnerable, and
>a swift kick here will take anyone down. -- A cautionary note about these
>things. If you do not do these things right the first time, you are in
>trouble, because it will only anger the individual, and that anger will be
>TAKEN OUT ON YOU. I'm not saying don't attempt them (it may be your only
>hope), but be forceful when you do.
>
>(11.) If you are walking alone in the dark (which you shouldn't be) and you
>find him following/chasing you:
>
>(a.) Scream "FIRE!", and not "help". People don't want to get involved when
>people yell "help", but "fire" draws attention because people are nosy.
>
>(b.) RUN!
>
>(c.) Find an obstacle, such as a parked car, and run around it, like Ring
>Around the Rosie. This may sound silly, but over the years, five women have
>told Pat Malone that this SAVED THEIR LIVES.
>
>(d.) Your last hope is getting under the car. Once you are under there,
>there are tons of things to hold on to, and he will not be able to get you
>out and will not come under for you (most likely). Usually they give up by
>this point. The catch here is that YOU MUST PRACTICE GETTING UNDER THE CAR.
>You must have a plan (he will have one); know if you will be going on your
>back, front, from the side or back of the car. It must be practiced.
>
>(12.) Never let yourself or anyone that you know be a "CLOSER" in any type
>of business (bar, store, restaurant, gas station). Pat knew Danielle, who
>was a girl that just died from being shot point-blank by some kids while
>she was closing at the local gas station. He talked with her the night
>before she died, and asked whether it ever scared her to close alone. She
>said yes, but said, "I'll be all right, Pat. I'll be alright." She wasn't.
>
>Our world is not as safe as we pretend that it is, and living in our
>fantasy worlds WILL get us in trouble, sooner or later. Pat Malone said,
>again and again, that the women who die EVERY MINUTE from violent crimes
>expected to go to bed tonight, and get up tomorrow. No one expects it, but
>we must be prepared and be aware so that we HAVE A PLAN. BE PREPARED TO
>ACT! AND ACT HARD! HAVE A PLAN! I would encourage you to pass this on to
>all women, not just your friends and family, but everybody. We all need to
>hear it.
>
>
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Thanks Rob for that. I'm sharing copies of it as we speak, one to a woman I know who sits in her car all of the time with the door open smoking or balancing her checkbook and I just eMailed a copy to my wife.
Thanks again!
Guy Thomas
Thanks again!
Guy Thomas
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This is very good information. Obviously from one that knows. I'm definately spreading this around. Thanks again.
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Thanks for good and valuable info!
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I just want to say thank you for the safety information! It gave me a lot to think about. Just to be safe, I may start carrying around one of the khukris I stole from...I mean that my husband, Silent (Guy Thomas), gave to me. 
One of them is the neat little village khukri my husband posted a picture of, and the other one I nabbed from...I mean was given by...my husband is a zebra handled khukuri. I really love'em!
One of them is the neat little village khukri my husband posted a picture of, and the other one I nabbed from...I mean was given by...my husband is a zebra handled khukuri. I really love'em!
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Welcome to the Cantina Foxy.
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Thank you, Uncle Bill
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My pleasure. We don't have enough female forumites -- lots of nephews but few nieces.
Cougar Allen
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Well, it's not as bad as most of the urban legends etc. that circulate through forwarded email.... I don't have time to write a detailed critique right now, but briefly: all the statistics are false. Most of the advice is good but some of it is very bad -- for instance elevators are the second most favored place for criminal attacks -- all he has to do is hit a button and you're stuck between floors where he can do whatever he wants to you at his leisure, with no fear of interruption....
Please ... don't believe anything you read in forwarded email....
Please ... don't believe anything you read in forwarded email....
not2sharp
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When I lived in NYC the thinking was the other way around. Muggers generally prefer to go after men. Once they pulled a gun or knife most guys would just quitely hand over their valuables, women on the other hand were likely to scream their heads off. Back then there was nothing more feared than a lady police officer, she was much more likely to shoot.
n2s
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check out:
http://www.armedandsafe.com/
which is a local ( Reno ) place that does CCW training and also does "anti-victimization" classes for free.
Also check out Packing
which is a national link for CCW
It will tell you what your state's laws are. If you're in one of the 30+ states that now has shall issue CCW it will tell you.
http://www.armedandsafe.com/
which is a local ( Reno ) place that does CCW training and also does "anti-victimization" classes for free.
Also check out Packing
which is a national link for CCW
It will tell you what your state's laws are. If you're in one of the 30+ states that now has shall issue CCW it will tell you.
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Cougar,
Besides the elevator thing(and perhaps crawling under the car) all of this sounds like advice I've read/heard from actual experts on crime prevention.(LEO's and Feds). What besides that is not true, or can cause more harm than good. If there is something in this foreward that could get someone hurt I'd really appreciate it if you could tell everyone. Thanks.
Rob
Besides the elevator thing(and perhaps crawling under the car) all of this sounds like advice I've read/heard from actual experts on crime prevention.(LEO's and Feds). What besides that is not true, or can cause more harm than good. If there is something in this foreward that could get someone hurt I'd really appreciate it if you could tell everyone. Thanks.
Rob
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No matter what specifically is said in the mail it does one good thing. It reminds us basically to be alert and cautious which I think is the best advice of all.
Cougar Allen
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That's a very long message and it's going to take a while to critique it point by point.... I think I can probably find time this afternoon or this evening, but in the meantime here's a source of information that's genuinely good and even wonderful -- Animal McYoung's No Nonsense Self-defense By the way, Animal is a member here and posts occasionally in the Filipino Combat Arts forum.
If you just send that url to everyone you forwarded that email to that will do them a tremendous service.
Animal's books are great, too.
If you just send that url to everyone you forwarded that email to that will do them a tremendous service.
Animal's books are great, too.
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Thanks, Cougar.