how do you store emergency supplies?

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psy-ops

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when you plan your evac kit; Do you consider time factorson getting to your kit plus the things you'd want to take like some kitchen stuff and such?


my wife and I just moved to a new place and I have been really trying to find the most convient storage place.

I keep some important things like camping food & stove, first aid flashlight and stuff I need to access quickly but then there are things like clothes and boots and some other things that don't get packed but I now have 2 empty LG. douffel bags right there so I can stuff'em quick on an evacuation.

then in the utility closet I have propane and tools that are really accessable.

I figure I can load the car in 1 hour. I haven't yet did a dry run. my wife and I do go car camping quite often and have spontaneously decided and loaded the car then went out in an hour.


thanks

chris
 
There's a company that makes waterproof screw-on lids for 5-7 gallon plastic buckets, but I can't recall the name right now. They are good for storing food and other things that might be attacked by insects or rodents if stored in a bag. Also crush resistant.
 
Since you live in the city much like myself I would think that time is a major factor bio weapons are used or when civil law breaks down. You need to be able to head out in well under an hour we are talking about minutes here. The longer you wait the worst traffic gets as people head out of town. You should also consider your bov, I own a truck so its easy to dump things in the back and head out in a matter of minutes. But, if you own a regular passenger car. Getting a lot of gear in it might be tough. I would recommend against duffle bags,if you can help it, reason being that carrying one can be very tiring, and if you have to go long distances forget about it. Plus they by the nature of their shape, they don't make efficent use of your trunk. I would recommend going for something that is more square in nature. So you can put as much gear as possible in the car. I be interested to see what you have set aside for your bug out kit. I would leave the propane kit at home unless you have tons of room and can easily hike it in to wherever your going.
 
DWK....I was talking more on the line of storing in a certain part of the house and loading your car. timing and convience stuff

sorry, if I was unclear in my question.


hannibal....oxford MS is a very small college town. I think the chances are slim for chemical weapons and terrorists. I think my geography sets me up for a natural disaster. like a flood or tornado.

also I have a pickup truck, and I have to backpacks that are loaded with essential 3 day stuff. but I was thinking in a more long term I would load up the duffles with cupboard food Items and clothes dependng on the season.

thanks

chris
 
I have a tactical tailor 3 day assault pack..loosely packed with a nylon tarp 2 person compact tent, first aide kit, ioo ft of paracord, 2 carabiners, a firemaking kit and a swiss army knife and a straight razor.

along side on the same self is my wife's empty back pack and another watertight pack filled with accessories like plastic knives and forks and paper plates,

below that I have a 5 gallon bucket with all my kitchen gear 2 swiss butane camping stoves very compact, matches, pots, water carrier, and a bit of dry camp food.

right next to that I have camping food in a plastic bucket enough for 4-5 days easy and some extra food.


the reason why I have empty packs is because that we won't know the season something happens and I probabl;y would take books from my book self and things we use on a day to day basis.


please comment I wouldn't mind making some improvements

thanks

chris
 
Why not keep those backpacks loaded with part of your BOB gear, like the common housing and food part that you use whether you're camping or bugging out?

I agree with the statement that in urban situations it's a matter of minutes, not hours. Theoretically, your BOB should always be with you, either on your person or in your car. The BOB isn't something to be packed under stress while situations deteriorate around you. It's something you plan, analyze, pack, test, and repack beforehand while you've got the luxury of extra time to get it right. After the deal has gone down is not the time to triage which items you'll want with you. By that time, you should already know.

One thing I haven't seen mentioned in this thread yet, assuming you'll eventually be coming back to a semi-normalized civilization, is to have in your BOB copies of important papers like SocSecurity cards, credit card numbers, insurance policies, model & serial numbers of high-ticket items left behind (stereo, camera, etc), house deed, vehicle registrations/titles, birth certificates, medical histories/records, etc. Each individual's circumstances will dictate which of these is relavent to their own situation.

There is a ton of info on BOBs on the internet that can be found with any decent search engine. It can stimulate consideration for some items that may not be intuitively included on the "take it along" list.
 
Hey Rokjok,

My logistical problem which got me to post this was stuff like: SS cards and such, I keep those in a safe and I have some other things around that I use day to day.

The freezer is a good example when you have to evac wouldn't you go grab your cooler and fill it quickly. sure you have to weigh time,

How many evacs of people in natural disasters are there where you have to leave in minutes? (I confess I am ignorant on this.)

I am gonna do a dry run (my wife has agreed!) one day this week.

also I want to say again I am not too concerned with items needed more than I am with logistics. things I consider are being flexible with your gear, if there is a flood or a biological situation you might need different things. especially if you live somewhere with seasons.

for instance a heavy duty shovel might be appropriate in one situation and totally ridiculous in another. that is why I leave empty bags near stuff I might or might not need.

I do believe there are some things that are totally necessity like cooking fire, shelter and first-aid, those things are packed full.
but stuff like clothes, tools, papers, money and some foods are not. they are more scattered.

Thanks for keeping me thinking in the right direction.

chris
 
Timely post, as I just spent the weekend checking and refining the contents of my PE/RK bags. The basic setup is this:

CAR:
- 1 waist pack - contains mimimum of gear for short-term urban and back-country survival
- 1 3-day pack - More extensive gear - primarily set-up for back-country
- 1 - Mountainsmith expedition (6700 cubic inch) internla frame pack - set-up for longer-term and winter situations

WORK:
- Book Bag - Set up for urban survival - includes fire and NBC gear
- Duffle Bag - More extensive urban surv gear.

HOME: The real stuff.....
 
I originally posted this on Razors Redoubt's new Urban Survival Forum, which you can check out here: http://pub82.ezboard.com/frazorsredoubtfrm6

I think everyone's philosophy must take into account that often times you WILL NOT have access to ALL of your gear.

I have a 3-Layered Urban Survival (UrbSurv) Kit Approach

'Why 3 layers', you ask?

Well, my job doesn't permit me to carry my ALICE pack of UrbSurv gear with me everywhere I go. And, I'd be willing to wager a good percentage of you couldn't carry one with you everywhere either. And even if you could carry your kit with you (i.e. in your car, truck), you wouldn't be carrying it with you into a restaurant, bank, or business appointment--thus having no immediate accessibility to your kit.

So, I hedge my survivability odds with a 3-layered approach as follows:
Layer 1) ALWAYS on my person
Layer 2) ALWAYS accessible (i.e., within "easy" reach)
Layer 3) OPTIMALLY accessible (i.e., available to me in best-case scenario)

So, to give you an idea of what I'm talking about:

Layer 1: always on my person
- bandana
- cell phone
- folding knife (emerson cqc-7a)
- glowring (on keychain) (by traser, no batteries, 10 year life, and enough light to read by in pitch dark)
- info "cheat sheet": bank acct numbers, important tel. numbers, insurance acct./tel. info, etc.)
- money (plenty of cash)/ID/credit cards
- phone card, pre-paid
- photon-II micro light (on keychain)
- sas compass (in wallet, fully functional and only 5mm wide, 15mm diameter!)

Layer 2: always accessible, in my briefcase, coat pocket, etc.
- ham radio ht (yaesu vx-5r with spare li-batt & aa-batt)
- multi-tool (leatherman wave)
- survival mini-kit in altoids tin (container for following)
. butane lighter (bic mini)
. condom (for water storage)
. bandaids (9 assorted sizes)
. duct tape (2"x3" taped to outside, 10 ft. 1/2" strip "sealing" the tin around the perimeter)
. iodine sterilization pads (4 pc.)
. iodine water tablets (6 pc.)
. jig saw blade, high carbon (3" section)
. internal strands from paracord (5 - 7-ft. lengths)
. matches, waterproof (with striker) (7 pc.)
. paper (waterproof) (3 3"x5" pg.) & pencil
. reflective mylar (from kiddie balloon, taped to inside lid of tin top for use as signal mirror)

Layer 3: optimally accessible
- This is the "full" Urban Survival Kit that everyone should have at their ready--whether at home or in the office. I don't want to start another "What's in Your Survival Pack?"-thread here, so go here to see what others have wisely suggested:

http://pub82.ezboard.com/frazorsredoubtfrm6.showMessage?topicID=3.topic

or

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=170078

I think most of us naturally, without even knowing it approach our UrbSurv in this fashion.

Obviously, different climates, urban environments, etc. are going to make your requirement differ from mine. However, I feel the concept is sound.

Ron (guncollector)
 
sierra-1 & guncollector,

thanks your advice was exactly what I was looking for. I think I was moving in that direction but needed a kick in the ass.

also went to captain dave's site pretty good.

now all I need to know are the possible threats in my area.


thank you


chris
 
DWK - The screw on lid that you referred to is called a Gamma Seal.

For those who have not seen them, they come as a two piece set. The first piece is a ring that snaps onto the top of a 5 gallon bucket and the second piece is a screw-on lid. They work great. I have several and I use them daily.

When I buy a 50# bag of dog food, I fill up two buckets that have Gamma lids. When I buy rice, I get the 25# bag and store it in a pail w/ a Gamma lid. They come in various colors too. That makes it easy to tell which bucket is wheat and which is rice, etc. Very useful.

Also, they are waterproof and therefore good for storing many things other than food.
 
One thought about bugging-out. If you leave your home and you don’t have a place to go - you have effectively become a refugee. If you don’t have a place to go – consider staying at home and plan accordingly.
 
while living in the midwest with massive flooding we had to get out of town in a matter of minutes! A lot of cars got stuck while trying to get out. You see it on the news all the time people standing up on the roof of their houses because the waters came so fast. Also if you live in FL on the carolinas the winter storms that come by can hit real hard real quick. They have been known to take a few lives.

My suggestion to you is go up to maine, and buy yourself some used fishing barrels they are the size of oil drums. Buy at least 3, fill one up with fresh water put it in the back of the garage in a cool dark place. If something does happen to your water supply you have something to drink and cook with, in the event that you don't have to leave your home. The other two containers should be left empty or you can leave your bob in it, they can be rolled onto the truck in a matter of minutes. The reason I advocate having this type of containers is the following they are waterproof and don't allow moisture to come in. I would suspect that one of the major problems over there is the weather. You don't want your bob kit to get soaking wet, food, clothing etc...From your bob kit I don't think your going to be able to carry it in your car.
 
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