How do you think Pro Pool/Billiard Players became pro players?

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As a lot of you who know me, know that I am an avid pool player. We are currently having a debate on a Pool Forum regarding this topic and I want to know what the General Non-Pool Playing public thinks and this is the first place I thought to ask.

Ok Question...

When you are flipping through the channels and happen to see Pro Pool on ESPN or something like that, how do you think those players became so good? How do you think they acheived that status?

If you could respond as specific as possible that would be great... thanks guys!!!
 
I'll bite.

I don't know the first thing about pool, but here's how I imagine it.
A guy or gal plays a ton of pool week in and week out. One day he sees a sign, say "Pool Tourny, $500 Grand Prize, July 4 at Jim's Bar and Grill."

He goes, competes, wins. $500 is a pretty good motivator for most guys.

He starts reading www.poolplayingforums.com (or whatever), subscribes to Pool Weeky (or whatever), and keeps an eye on the paper for other tournaments. He wins a couple more, and a couple more, and next thing you know, he's traveling to the next state for a tournament.

One month, he wins 5 tourneys in four weekends, banks more money than his day job, and decides that work is for suckers.
Time to be self-employed, time to go pro.

How close am I? :D
 
I don't know about going pro, but I grew up with a pool table in my basement and spent many hours futzing around with it; enough to be good enough to beat the average talent in your average beer-guzzling pool hall.

Then I met my wife and she kicked my butt up one side of the pool table and down the other. The difference? Her dad owned a pool hall for a while when she was growing up, and she got actual instruction from actual professional pool players on how it's done.

Neither of us play for money; it's just a game. But for those work-based pool leagues (filled with computer nerds), we have a tendency to win. :D
 
Determination? I know that the first time I played pool, I was poking people (unintentionally), and knocking the balls off the table. I was covered in chalk dust, no dust on the tip, no dust on my hands. By the end of the night, I was making some pretty good shots.

BTW, Hugh, where is a good spot to play in Bel Air? I know the pool hall in Churchville closed some years ago.
 
There's a certain amount of genetics involved, good eyesight, the right muscle balance, dexterity, the right configuration of fingers, etc. I saw a plaster cast once of Vladimir Horowitz's hands. The man's fingers were a good 50% longer than mine, and I have, I suppose, an average man's hand. It's no wonder he was a great pianist. So, what if someone really wants to be a great pianist, studies hard, practices for many hours, but has small fingers? He's doomed, I'm afraid. Genetics has stolen his dream.

Of course, genetics is only part. There's a certain amount of talent involved, a natural sense of geometry for pool. And then there's study and practice and more study and more practice and that all takes dedication.

But, to get to the pro level? Hmmm....

Consider, for example, playing basketball. The basics are the same. You have to have the right genetics. You have to have some talent. Then, there's study and practice which takes dedication. But, to turn pro, you have to get seen by a recruiter, sign a contract, etc. The process is pretty well defined.

I used to live in Nashville, Tennessee. In Nashville, the game is not basketball or pool. In Nashville, the game is music. And I got to see it played first-hand because the girl who was the receptionist at the company I worked for was a rising country music star. You know here today as Trish Yearwood. I'm also a great bluegrass music fan and one of the software engineers at the company I worked for was a Grammy Award winning mandoline player, Carl Caldwell. The fact that he can be a Grammy Award winner and still working his day job tells you a bit about bluegrass. Anyway, he often played with a wonderful girl named Alison Krauss who was very much a rising star at the time, but still rising. To make it in the music business, you need the right genetics, some talent, study, practice, a lot of dedication, and... the major ingredient, connections. Nashville is all about networking.

My guess is that pro pool is similar. You've got to get to know the right people.
 
There are lots of great __________s (guitar pickers, baseball players, pool shooters etc), but a few have "The Gift".
Those are the superstars.
Now to find out if you have "The Gift" you have to compete against the rest and rise to the top.
League Pool, Tournaments, would be the logical way.
Oh and.....win......alot :D

Good question, looking forward to hearing icon's view
 
I think I can define another trait of professional players: vision. You have to have a vision of you winning the race, of you taking your bows to a cheering audience, of you sinking the winning three-point shot, of you winning the tournament. And you have to have a bigger vision of you as not just a professional pool player, but the best player in the world. This is different than imagination. We can all imagine ourselves as a great pro basketball player (I'd need to loose a bit of weight and gain a little height, but I can imagine it). There's a key difference between just dreamy fantasy imagining and vision.

And, I think I can define one more trait that is present in many -- not all -- professional players: instinct and decisiveness. A professional basketball player has to be able to instinctively decide the instant he gets the ball what to do, pass, drive, shoot, left, right, instantly decided and then instantly executed; there's no time for quiet contemplation and weighing your options. A boxer has to instinctively decide, jab, cross, hook, block, forward, backward, left, right. Boxing is a good example because, under stress, that decision process can shut down. This is when a boxer just collapes into a ball or, if he's able to do anything, gets into some sort of clinch so that the ref will separate them and give him a chance to restart. Even in chess, a game that's all about quiet contemplation and weighing the options, there's a timer and you only get so long and it's not enough time to play out all the options and analyze everything in your head. Even a chess player has to be able to instinctively and decisively narrow the options down to just a few so that he can spend the few minutes of contemplation and study he has focused on just a few options, hopefully the best options narrowed to that small list by his instinct. And once he decides and makes his move, there's no looking back. Pool strikes me as somewhat similar to chess in this respect. The pool player doesn't have to be as instantly-decisive as a basketball player or boxer does, but you do have to hone and then trust your instincts so that you can fairly quickly make a decision and go with it with no indecisiveness and no remorse.
 
I don't know the answer to that one, but does make for a great excuse to post a Jeanette Lee picture!

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Pool strikes me as somewhat similar to chess in this respect.

Pool is chess. To run a table you should be playing 4 or 5 shots down the road, knowing in advance where you want to leave yourself for that next shot, and then where that next shot will take you, and so forth. You also have to consider where the cue will be if you blow a shot and then decide between different shots based on the combination of (1) will I make it and (2) how easy is the shot going to be for the other guy if I don't? Or, at least, I do since I very rarely can actually run the table. :D

Once, just to be annoying, I played a pretty good snooker player and I won the game by never sinking a shot. (Well, ok, I did finally sink my balls, but only after a really REALLY long time.) Basically, I played to NOT GIVE HIM a shot, so he kept making really big mistakes. It pissed him off (he was a friend, so it was OK) to no end.
 
She plays pool, 555? I never paid attention!



That's not nice...I know she is one of the, what, top 5-10 women players in the world?
 
She plays pool, 555? I never paid attention!



That's not nice...I know she is one of the, what, top 5-10 women players in the world?

No kidding, the Black Widow is a good looking, i mean excellent pool player.:thumbup:
 
I was gone from the Forum for a little bit, i was making the Break.:D
 
i started to play pool early, before i could drive.



the part that i like to watch when seeing these Pro's play on TV is the control that they have mastered with the Cue Ball.
 
Oh, I know 555, I've seen her...she is amazing. I used to play a lot of pool myself (9-ball, naturally....its the only game that matters)...and if I ever got one-tenth as good as she is I'd be feeling pretty good about myself.
 
9-ball the only game that matters?

Harumpf.
9-ball is a quick money game and unwittingly "made for" TV.
I guess we may have to start another thread.
:D
14.1 for me (aka: straight pool)
:D

Excellent points Gollnick.

Bulgron, I've always said that the hardest one to beat in 8-ball in the bar is the blonde that never played before.
:D
 
thanks for all the replies everyone.. there was acomment made duing the debate yesterday someone said they though the non pool playing public would think most pro players becamse so good and came from ___________. im not gonna say what it is, but you guys have just confirmed my opinion as none of you have said the magic word(s).

I just wanted to know what the publics view of pro pool is. thanks guys!!!!!
 
I knew the 9-ball comment would get somebody riled up Ebbtide!

But, I must agree, straight pool has its merits.

I think with can both agree that 8-ball is for yahoos!
 
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