How Long?

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How long does a steel need to be around, used, tested and verified as good stuff, for people to stop calling it a "mystery steel" or the like?

We are going on roughly 9 years now of INFI and every once in a while I see people writing things like "I avoid the mystery steels" when referring to INFI or whatever the latest and "greatest" steel is at the time.

What say you guys/gals?
 
I think as long as INFI is guarded there will always be these rediculous statements. Perhaps if they join in on some of the tests forthcomming by Busse opinions might change. Just a Piglets 2 cents. More for us. ;)
 
To me it is a mystery steel, as in "HOW THE HE** DOES IT DO THAT??" type mystery...

But I agree, it is amazing how those who don't know summarily dismiss it...:( :rolleyes:
 
I'm with Tyrkon Lawson on this one.
I think that as long as it is a proprietary steel it will be seen by many as a mystery steel, which seems like maybe forever. I see no logical way to avoid that so let's just embrace it. There is no real need for others to understand it. Heck I am a little bit bummed about the youtube venture, all that publicity is going to make it harder than it already is for a pigglet to get some love. I will enjoy watching the videos I am just not looking forward to longer waits from Busse Combat and quicker sellouts at the Company Store.
 
Funny thing is that the steel itself is not a mystery at all, so I am not sure why people call it a mystery. I guess they are toooo lazy to search out topics themselves and find out what INFI is. The guarded secret is how INFI is made and how it is HT'd.

It is like a Stealth Fighter. The materials that go into making the stealth fighter skin are fairly commonplace. It is how they are processed and structured that makes stealth do what it does. And that is a guarded secret.
 
Funny thing is that the steel itself is not a mystery at all, so I am not sure why people call it a mystery. I guess they are toooo lazy to search out topics themselves and find out what INFI is. The guarded secret is how INFI is made and how it is HT'd.

It is like a Stealth Fighter. The materials that go into making the stealth fighter skin are fairly commonplace. It is how they are processed and structured that makes stealth do what it does. And that is a guarded secret.

Bingo. A quick search here on BF will give you basic ingredients for INFI.
 
There are several reasons why it is still considered a "mystery steel", all of wich comes down to proprietary owner ship and market saturation.

Anything that is of a completely proprietary nature will be seen as novel and unusual, unless there is enough of a market saturation to have it become a house hold name. a good example of this is the memory stick from Sony. It's a completely proprietary media thats used only by Sony - but even then, other companies are allowed to make memory sticks, and there are several card readers capable of reading them from a wide variety of companies. If Sony kept their reigns on the memory stick tighter, allowing only the Sony master company to produce them, and any periferal readers - it would not be what it is today. it would still be a "weird proprietary media".

While the composition of INFI is available on bladeforums - next to nothing is known about its heat treating protocols, or how it reacts to "different" heat treating cycles. It is ONLY used by busse combat, and ONLY made for busse combat.

If Busse Combat had the market saturation of benchmade or kershaw, I beleive that INFI would be less of a "mystery" then it is, but as a company, Busse has a looong way to go in producing the qauntities that large production outfits like kershaw are capable of churning out.

If I say "kershaw" or "buck" to someone on the street, they are fairly likely to know at least one of them as a knife company. No one is going to know Busse, unless they read this forum, or are active knife enthusiasts - or are the rare case of someone who happened to have someone buy it for them or they bought it becaue it looked/sounded good. It's definitely gaining ground, and has been since it first started, but it's not yet a house hold name.

I don't want to portrait Busse combat in a negative light - but the idea of INFI still being a "mystery" steel in the market even after 9 years is not difficult to imagine. No one but busse combat has handled it, no one knows how its heat treated, and you need to know Busse combat first before knowing what INFI is (since its not included in most steel comparison charts).
 
LVC,


That is an excelent explanation, I would have written something like that but I couldn't find my broom.

Oh wait that's not the reason, it's actually because you know what you are talking about and I just try and fake it once in a while.

Anyways I think the original question has now been answered.
 
I do not care if it coomon steel or just the steel from another panet.

After the tests I made myself to understand what the knife can and what it cannot I just use it and I'm happy with it.

veeeery simple. :)
 
I think as long as INFI is guarded there will always be these rediculous statements. Perhaps if they join in on some of the tests forthcomming by Busse opinions might change. Just a Piglets 2 cents. More for us. ;)

The facts seen in the video's may change some's perception but I doubt they'll ever say so publicly. Busse Combat and their testing has been around for a long time. There are articles, live demo's and many reviews written in regards to the durability of INFI and Busse Combats blades. Some people do not want to accept it, nor do they want to confront the fact that they have to use lesser materials because INFI is unavailable to them. Since they can't get it they run it and the tests down, they'll do the same thing when the YouTube video's come out.

I do look forward to the tests and hopefully they will change the opinions of some, but there is a bias out there that will probably never change.

:D:D
 
I think Busse should create a poll to determine which tests to perform and possibly do a live web cam demonstration so the tester can reply to IM requests.

That would remove a lot of the doubt and video editing theories.
 
How long does a steel need to be around, used, tested and verified as good stuff, for people to stop calling it a "mystery steel" or the like?
Well.. when did Bronze cease to be called a "Mystery Metal"?

Prolly a few weeks after the Iron Age started !

When a Metal's capabilities/properties become outmoded by another.. then it loses its "mystery".

So how many centuries did the Bronze Age & Iron Age last again?

..until then Jerry.. NUKE ON!
 
I don't think any one ever called bronze a mystery steel, especially in the bronze age when no one knew what steel was, or even the Iron age where steel was a mystery.
 
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