How sharp do you like your heavy chopper edge?

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snowwolf

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Hi Guys,

I typically like my knives as sharp as possible. But for the heavy choppers, I don't go crazy sharp mainly to prevent unnecessary damage to the blade if I accidentally hit something hard. On the other hand. I never had to use the Chakmak to roll the edge back into place, so I guess I could go sharper.

What about you guys?
 
Very sharp. I don't significantly thin the edge, but I do take it to a level(stropping to finish) that would make a mistake in use lead to a hospital visit. The reason being that a well stropped edge resists rust and dulling better than a rough one.
 
Mine has to cut a sheet of paper and scrape hair off without pulling. Chopping through bone such as a deer pelvis requires a different edge.
 
Keep the geometry, but a shaving edge, at least for starters. I also like a bitey edge-finishing with brown ceramic usually allows for both.
 
Just got me a DMT ceramic steel and they claim its 2200 grit eq. Right now it feels more like 600 but i think once I get the "new" out of it it will make a nice tool for touchup. Cheap plastic handle but I can fix that if it works out well.
Keep the geometry, but a shaving edge, at least for starters. I also like a bitey edge-finishing with brown ceramic usually allows for both.
 
Shaving sharp, then, after cutting wood for a few hours, just strop it a few strokes and you can shave with it.
 
Definitely sharp enough to shave. For wood chopping a highly polished and refined edge is ideal. The resultant knife edge will rust less and will have much fewer of the imperfections which lead to edge damage in the first place. Plus it means that in a pinch you can use it for lighter brushwork if you need to.
 
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I prefer it sharp enough to cleave, but it doesn't have to shave. I have favored choppers that have seem nothing more than a medium grit sanding pad for stropping every so often that have been used for a decade+
 
Definitely sharp enough to shave. For wood chopping a highly polished and refined edge is ideal. The resultant knife edge will rust less and will have much fewer of the imperfections which lead to edge damage in the first place. Plus it means that in a pinch you can use it for lighter brushwork if you need to.

I like that! I didn't notice the less prone to rust fact. But it makes sense.
 
No worries. It seems like one of those things that a lot of people miss out on for some reason. It might be that people ignore it because polishing an edge is such a pain in the arse :P
 
A highly polished edge is a "novelty edge".
It is far too much work for minimal result.
A properly heat treated blade will not be affected by minor imperfections in sharpening.
I also fail to see how edge polishing will affect a blades purpose. A Sharp edge, polished or not, will have the same effect on light brush.
 
Karda,
It is a lot of work, that's for sure. By minor imperfections in sharpening, I should be clear that I mean a toothy or jagged edge which isn't uniform along its length. An edge will always be uneven when you look close enough at it, however the difference between the sort of edge produced from a file (traditional khukuri method) and the sort of edge produced from for example stropping with a finer abrasive is huge. From what I understand, when chopping wood, a blade edge does not dull from edge wear and abrasion like a typical knife does. Instead the damage comes from impaction and distortion of the edge from the large forces being applied. In this situation, these minor imperfections from sharpening act as stress raisers and places of weakness. From here, these small teeth bend or flatten with impact. This proved a larger area at which the knife edge contacts the wood and the added force leads to tearing, rolling or chipping at the edge dependent on the specific heat treat of the knife. In any case, my understanding and belief is that highly refined, polished edge is ideal in this situation for any given heat treat within reason. The edge is much, much sharper but also keeps that level of sharpness for significantly longer than a knife sharpened with a coarser abrasive. Note that I use the word ideal, as in "the best possible thing" This doesn't necessarily mean that it is the least work or that any other opinion is wrong, it's just how I prefer to keep my chopper edges, because from experience I think it's the best.

As for how it affects the purpose, I understand that it's a tricky one. I'm not claiming that a polished edge automatically means that it is suddenly ground thinner and balanced differently or anything, but simply that the higher sharpness allows the knife to cut through thin, flexible shrubbery in a manner that a knife of lower sharpness can't. In essence, the higher sharpness means that when striking these flexible branches, the knife begins to bite into the material while putting less force on the entire branch. Once the knife has sunk into the wood of the branch and has a hold, the knife does the rest of the work and goes all the way through. A knife with a less sharp edge will impart a lot more force on the initial impact and just push the branch out of the way. I'm sure this is an event that many khukuri users are familiar with.
Hopefully that clears up the reasons for my statement. I know it might not be a popular opinion, but it's mine haha!
Take care,
Andrew
 
You are overthinking a lot.
Toothiness in a chopping blade will not be cause for concern of failure, nor will polishing an edge make it stay significantly sharper.
Polishing will be lost after the first few chops and then you are left with roughly the same edge you would've had before you put all that unnecessary polishing work into it. Light brush and weeds know nothing of polishing. They don't care. A sharp blade will pass thru vegetation regardless.

I do find it a bit poor form for you to even be here, considering you are working for our direct competition as a designer, and the fact that a few notable and known examples of Himalayan Imports ages old designs are now being offered for sale on their website.
 
This thread seems to have drifted a bit. Snowwolf's original question was about how sharp to make a heavy chopper. That's a different usage from cutting "thin, flexible shrubbery."

Heavy choppers are Ang Kholas, Bonecutters, etc. Regardless of sharpness, that's hardly the kind of knife that would be best for swinging at thin, flexible shrubbery.

In fact, an ultra-sharp heavy chopper would be downright dangerous to swing at thin, flexible shrubbery, because there's a good chance it would come all the way around and cut off your own leg.
 
Well karda, I guess we disagree on the point of polishing and tha'ts okay! It takes all kinds, right?
Well if you'd like me to stop posting on this subforum, then you can just let me know. However I haven't discussed anything about KHHI in this thread, nor am I belittling Himalayan Imports, a business which I have great respect for. I often look through these forums, as I'm a big fan of khukuris and I saw a thread where I thought I had a unique and valid opinion which I thought could contribute to the thread.
I think that saying that I work for them might be a little bit inaccurate. I work with them, definitely and we're definitely intertwined to a degree. Ultimately though we are separate entities. I do my own designs and they produce them for me. I don't have a "Boss" at KHHI nor am I a representative of them at an official level.
If you'd like to discuss these designs then that's something that I'm happy to do, though I'm not sure it's entirely relevant to this thread. Would you like to create a separate thread for that discussion to take place in? Or put it at the end of a more relevant thread?
Take care,
Andrew
 
This thread seems to have drifted a bit. Snowwolf's original question was about how sharp to make a heavy chopper. That's a different usage from cutting "thin, flexible shrubbery."

Yes, I agree. My little point on light brush clearing was just a small aside.
The sort of swing used for this light shrubbery would in theory be a mere flick of the wrist contacting with the tip of the blade, not a power chop by any means.
 
Well karda, I guess we disagree on the point of polishing and tha'ts okay! It takes all kinds, right?
Well if you'd like me to stop posting on this subforum, then you can just let me know. However I haven't discussed anything about KHHI in this thread, nor am I belittling Himalayan Imports, a business which I have great respect for. I often look through these forums, as I'm a big fan of khukuris and I saw a thread where I thought I had a unique and valid opinion which I thought could contribute to the thread.
I think that saying that I work for them might be a little bit inaccurate. I work with them, definitely and we're definitely intertwined to a degree. Ultimately though we are separate entities. I do my own designs and they produce them for me. I don't have a "Boss" at KHHI nor am I a representative of them at an official level.
If you'd like to discuss these designs then that's something that I'm happy to do, though I'm not sure it's entirely relevant to this thread. Would you like to create a separate thread for that discussion to take place in? Or put it at the end of a more relevant thread?
Take care,
Andrew

Andrew,
it isn't a unique opinion at all. It has been debated on these forums for years.
In a slicer, polishing may have some degree of validity. In a chopper, it is pretty much a moot point.

As for the discussion on the stolen designs. No discussion here at this time. I will prefer to let you designers and Mr. Lama go about your business until there is plenty of irrefutable evidence (there is irrefutable evidence of this act already)...and then we will have a discussion.
 
Karda,
True, it may not be unique. But it wasn't in this thread yet and I thought it was a valid thing for people to consider.
I can't help but feel like that was an implication that I'm involved with these stolen designs? As much as I will respect your decision to hold this discussion elsewhere at a later date, I'm not sure I can let that slide by unanswered.
Karda, I'm 21. I'm from Australia. These designs which you're suggesting I've had a part in stealing have been produced by KHHI in Nepal for longer than I've been out of high school, alright? I'm in no way involved in this little dispute between you guys and the suggestion hurts me. I hate IP theft. I've been the victim of it multiple times and it's something that I in no way support. I'm totally open to having a fair and honest discussion about this, but I don't think it's right to go about stamping these allegations left right and centre and then leaving them dangling with no response. All it does is create doubt and speculation.
When you decide that it's time to talk about this issue then I'd love to. But in the meantime, why not close the issue and leave it to rest instead of ending with more accusations and incendiary comments?
What I'm saying comes from a position of love and respect. I love the people of nepal, I respect your knowledge on the subject and I have great respect for himalayan imports and the kamis that work there. I just don't want to be painted as a villain.
Namaste and take care,
Andrew
 
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