How soon before uncle sam is in our pocket? Not for our money, but our knives!

[jdailey4206966]

I have carried a pocket knife from a young age. I was taught by my grandfather that a pocketknife is a tool, a potentially dangerous tool and should be used and treated with care and respect. He carried an a case medium stockman for years. Had the old carbon blades and it was so smooth from being carried in his pocket for so many years. Anyhow, he also told me that a pocket knife should never be used for a weapon! Even the mentioning of using a pocket knife as a weapon made him angry!

He told me that if I use a pocket knife as a weapon, the police are gonnna look at it as if I am carrying a gun. He said some people carry knives for protection, (daggers, throwing knives, autos, balisongs, etc.) whether legal or illegal and thats fine, because its on them if they get caught.

I am seeing the same thing happen with knives that are happening with guns. the gov't has made a list of guns that are "assault weapons" and have tried to say that any gun that is capable of firing more than one round by either auto, pump, bolt or lever action be considered assault weapons, which pretty much covers all guns except for single shot shotguns or rifles and muzzleloaders.

They have made laws for different knives now they say is "dangerous". Everyone knows that every knife is dangerous if used improperly. Of course we all know that most knives like autos, balisong, daggers and stuff like that are illegal to carry, but now there is a new law in some states that prohibit the use of assisted opening knives. Its just another way uncle sam can mess with you, and we put up with it.

I guess What I am trying to say is this, if they can say our hunting guns, and/or pistols are "assault weapons", than who is to say that one day that they won't try to say the case knife you carry in your pocket, your grandfathers pocket knife in your drawer at home, or the leatherman you carry on your belt, or even the utility knife you use at work wont be considered an assault weapon too? Do you think there will ever come a day in which we will have to have a permit to carry our everyday pocketknives or multi-tools, which myself and millions of other Americans use as tools, not weapons, at home and work everyday?

 

[mp510]

At the federal level, you aren't going to see any regulations on knife carriage except with regards to federal property (that law haas existed for some time). In fact, largely, weapons carriage, is a state's issue, except when interstate commerce/travel or national defense issues are involved, because of the negative rights imposed upon the federal government by the US Constitution. What the federal government has done,is prohibit the importation of balisongs, automatic knives, gravity knives- ie German Paratrooper knives-, and ballistic knives (actually with ballistic knives simple posession is banned- but that could be justified easily by the ICC, and supreme court decisions such as Wickard v. Filburn (317 US 111: 1942) which apply the ICC to intrastate activities if such activity might impact interstate commerce). Moreover, knife crime is not a national epidemic in the US, and local problems tend to be handled locally. That's why you'll notice city's like NYC have very strict local laws and interpretations when the state as a whole is relatively liberal in what it allows. Because knives are such time respected tools in the US (and are such a part of our American heritage), we are not going to see sweeping bans on the carriage of most knives that are currently legally carryable. You will notice that most states prohibitions on carry (or prohibitions on concealed carry) go way back. Deleware's CCDW law for example has remained virtually the same since at least the late nineteenth century. What we will see, is some states make regulations against assissted openers and some other tactical knives. While it is necessary to be vigilant and fight against legislation that could harm knife owners, it is not something we have to worry about. Knives, especially commoon pocket knives and those connected with sports like hunitng fishing and camping don't carry a very negative stigma with most people, and most people, although they don't talk about it publicly, respect and value the utility a knife provides. In Connecticut, where a carry permit is necessary to simply buy a pistol or revolver, only 5% of the eligible population has a permit. Even living in an urban (town pop about 70,000) area- I can say with cartainty that well more than 1 in 20 people I know EDC one or more knives/multi-tools. The 1994 federal assault weapons ban was allowed to expire for a reason- because congress knew that popular support was against it- and the damage that it did to those who voted for it in the 1994 elections. Even Bill Clinton recognized that it cost the Democrats very dearly. Yes, the perpetually reintroduce it, but you'll notice that the reintroductions never seem to go anywhere, for a good reason.

 

[jdailey4206966]

yeah, those age good points, and i had thought about some of those, but it just is upsetting to know that these liberals are attacking the things that have made them free. Are they not aware that that the ingredients to win freedom were guts, blood, blued steel, wood and lead? Also that knives have been around for thousands of years, in fact one of mans oldest inventions, but yet they wanna take away the guns from people, because the govt knows as long as there is an armed society, than tyranny can't fully take over. I have quite a few knives in an old jewelry box that were given to me by my grandfather, father in law, knives I have bought. I have knives from leatherman, case, schrade, parker/frost, imperial and buck. Each of these knives mean something to me. I know that one day that they will go to my kids, and I want them to respect the knife and know how to use it as a tool, so they can teach their kids and so on.

Another thing that makes me mad is these police who think when they take something off of you, they don't have to give it back. I was a reserve deputy for 8 months here, and if I ever had to take a knife off a person, I gave it back to them. This happened to a friend of mine. He had got pulled over at 5:30 on his way to work one morning, because he was running late for work and doing a few over the speed limit. The cop made him get out and patted him down, and came across his grandfathers old buck knife, and toke it out of his pocket. It was just a small single blade knife with a 3 inch blade. When everything was said and done, he asked for the knife back, and the cop said he couldn't give it back because it was considered a dangerous weapon, and if he wanted it back, he had to go to city hall to pick it up. He went after work, and of course when he got there, there was no record of it. He even talked to the cop and he claims he don't remember it. Now, I was on the force long enough to know when they come across nice things like this, they claim to turn them in, but keep them for themselves. I managed to get his knife back to him, only because I knew the cop and was on the force, and I asked for it back. Had I not been on the force, his knife would have been gone forever.

 

[JatMat]

Thankful that I live in a community that is respectful of carrying knives, the article below was taken from the Gadsden Times in Al, Copied and pasted, notice that the three robbers are the ones being charged.

Published Tuesday, July 1, 2008
Monday, June 30, 2008

Victim stabs alleged robber

By Lisa Rogers, Times Staff Writer

A man who was being robbed turned the tables when he pulled a knife on one of three teenagers who jumped him outside an East Gadsden convenience store Saturday night.
Three teenagers jumped the 49-year-old man when he came out of Victory Fuels on South Ninth Street about 9:30 p.m. Saturday. The victim then pulled a pocket knife and stabbed one of the men who was trying to rob him, Gadsden police Capt. Troy Higdon said.
The 18-year-old suspect who was stabbed is in the hospital under police guard.
A 15-year-old and an 18-year-old are in jail and expected to face robbery charges, Higdon said.

 

[TOM1960]

yeah, those age good points, and i had thought about some of those, but it just is upsetting to know that these liberals are attacking the things that have made them free. Are they not aware that that the ingredients to win freedom were guts, blood, blued steel, wood and lead? Also that knives have been around for thousands of years, in fact one of mans oldest inventions, but yet they wanna take away the guns from people, because the govt knows as long as there is an armed society, than tyranny can't fully take over. I have quite a few knives in an old jewelry box that were given to me by my grandfather, father in law, knives I have bought. I have knives from leatherman, case, schrade, parker/frost, imperial and buck. Each of these knives mean something to me. I know that one day that they will go to my kids, and I want them to respect the knife and know how to use it as a tool, so they can teach their kids and so on.

Another thing that makes me mad is these police who think when they take something off of you, they don't have to give it back. I was a reserve deputy for 8 months here, and if I ever had to take a knife off a person, I gave it back to them. This happened to a friend of mine. He had got pulled over at 5:30 on his way to work one morning, because he was running late for work and doing a few over the speed limit. The cop made him get out and patted him down, and came across his grandfathers old buck knife, and toke it out of his pocket. It was just a small single blade knife with a 3 inch blade. When everything was said and done, he asked for the knife back, and the cop said he couldn't give it back because it was considered a dangerous weapon, and if he wanted it back, he had to go to city hall to pick it up. He went after work, and of course when he got there, there was no record of it. He even talked to the cop and he claims he don't remember it. Now, I was on the force long enough to know when they come across nice things like this, they claim to turn them in, but keep them for themselves. I managed to get his knife back to him, only because I knew the cop and was on the force, and I asked for it back. Had I not been on the force, his knife would have been gone forever.

My first stop would be the police station, to speak with the officer's immediate supervisor. Now, assuming the knife was legal to carry, some satisfaction should be had here. Were there any witnesses? I would have had them make a statement as well. If the supervisor couldn't give me any satisfaction, I would have filed a theft report with the next higher-up law enforcement agency (county sheriff, state police, etc.). Also, I would have sued the officer for the value of the knife, court costs, lawyers fees, time off from work, etc. in small-claims court. I am sure that the officer would regain his memory very quickly and return my stolen property!

 

[Arkeld]

When everything was said and done, he asked for the knife back, and the cop said he couldn't give it back because it was considered a dangerous weapon, and if he wanted it back, he had to go to city hall to pick it up. He went after work, and of course when he got there, there was no record of it.

Whenever a cop takes anything from you, be that a knife or even just money for your speeding ticket, ALWAYS ask for a receipt. ALWAYS.

I´ve seen people who had substantial sums of money seized by the police, then the cops claimed that they never took it. In the case I´m thinking about, it later turned out that the money was simply mislaid in a drawer (along with some other evidence), and returned MUCH later, but the fact of the matter was that the guys they took it from had absolutely zero chance of ever getting it back if the cop was truly dishonest and just pocketed the cash.

 

[jdailey4206966]

Thankful that I live in a community that is respectful of carrying knives, the article below was taken from the Gadsden Times in Al, Copied and pasted, notice that the three robbers are the ones being charged.

Published Tuesday, July 1, 2008
Monday, June 30, 2008

Victim stabs alleged robber

By Lisa Rogers, Times Staff Writer

A man who was being robbed turned the tables when he pulled a knife on one of three teenagers who jumped him outside an East Gadsden convenience store Saturday night.
Three teenagers jumped the 49-year-old man when he came out of Victory Fuels on South Ninth Street about 9:30 p.m. Saturday. The victim then pulled a pocket knife and stabbed one of the men who was trying to rob him, Gadsden police Capt. Troy Higdon said.
The 18-year-old suspect who was stabbed is in the hospital under police guard.
A 15-year-old and an 18-year-old are in jail and expected to face robbery charges, Higdon said.

Yeah, this is a good story. I had just read earlier about a man up in nashville a few months back was walking down a street, and a man wearing a ski mask suprised him and pulled him into an alley, and pulled a bowie knife on him and demanded his money and cellphone. The man quick managed to escape for a few seconds, and in the time he had, he managed to pull his leatherman charge from his pocket, and open one of the one handed opening knives, and turned around and stuck the knife out at the man and said told him to stop or he would stab him. When the attacker saw he had a knife of his own, he turned and ran, dropping his bowie knife in the process. Police later arrested the man when they ran the finger prints on the knife, and found the man was a serial attacker, and was wanted in the murder of 4 other people for this same type of crime. This man used a pocket knife as a weapon in a last mean of self defense, and in my opinion, this is fully justifiable.

Also, this isn't funny that it happened, but a man with a bowie knife got scared and ran. I figured a knife fight or something would have ensued, but thankfully for this man, it didn't.

 

[darth kcorbe]

nah, muggers who use big blades like a bowie do so for intimidation, not because they are any good with them. as soon as they realize that you're not shakin at the knees at the sight of a big knife, they'll split especially if you appear confident with your 3" folder.