How times change.

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I've heard the old saying that "the more things change, the more they remain the same".

I was remined of that just recently when visiting some family down home on the eastern shore of Maryland. Some of the family is still in the waterman trade, and I spent the day out on my cousins boat. The scent of diesel fuel, smell of the salt air, sound of waves against the hull, all brought back strong childhood memories.

On my grandads boat there was an old tin bucket with some old stained and lightly rusted butcher knives that I would touch up on the way out.
They may have been Old Hickory, I don't recall. I just remember the almost black stained blades and worn wood handles. On my cousins boat theres a plastic bucket with some stainless Russell-Dexter butcher knives with big white plastic handles.

My grandad carried a stag handled carbon steel stockman, the stailess steel back in the 1940's leaving a bit to be desired. Most of his cronies and quail hunting partners all carried carbon steel barlows, and such. Now my cousin carries a Victorinox sak, and in the store by the dock the Queen Big Chief is a big seller. It seems like alot of my kin down there have a Big Chief in the pocket. Its a large single blade jack knife, kind of sized like a daddy barlow, and has a lanyard shakle on it attachet to a one piece aluminum handle.

The boats themselves have changed alot. Gone are alot of the wooden hulled workboats, replaced by fiberglass skiff type workboats. It does'nt have quite the same feel out on the water as the old wood hulls, but I understand the economics of spending less time caulking and painting, and more time working. Not to mention alot longer life span. Theres many a rotting old wood hull back in the shallows where an old boat at the end of her life was stripped of hardware and scutled or just run back in the marsh and abondoned, like an old car in the inner city.

The old shack at the end of the commercial dock used to have a rough crowd, drinking Carling Black Label or Pabst Blue Ribbon and listening to Patsy Cline on a tinny radio. Now theres an upscale yuppy lounge with mixed drinks and some modern rock on a $$$ sound system. In the parking lot was a mix of BMW's and Lexus's. I did'nt see a single 5 window Chevy pick up in the place.

But I did find one place still there. An old hardware store thats been there forever, with creaking wood floors, and the smell of tar and paint in the air. Bins full of nails, bolts, washers, and spools of cordage. There was a counter up front with a revolving stand of Swiss Army Knives, and next to it a small case of Queen pocket knives. A few stockmen, a 2 blades jack, and a couple sizes of the Big Chief with the aluminum handles.

I asked the young man behind the counter if he sells much of the traditional knives. He told me that sales have been picking up a bit compared to the Chinese plastic handle lockblades he also carries.

I guess there's hope yet.
 
I just moved down to the eastern shore of VA. Chincoteague is a whole different world compared to port cities like boston, gloucester, new bedford, and Tampa. I could get used to it here. :D

jackknife, your posts are wonderful, as always, and since i got down here and started working again, i've gone back to the traditional, with a 110 on the belt and a 96OT in my pocket.
 
But I did find one place still there. An old hardware store thats been there forever, with creaking wood floors, and the smell of tar and paint in the air. Bins full of nails, bolts, washers, and spools of cordage. There was a counter up front with a revolving stand of Swiss Army Knives, and next to it a small case of Queen pocket knives. A few stockmen, a 2 blades jack, and a couple sizes of the Big Chief with the aluminum handles.

Nice story, jackknife.

I'm lucky enough to live just outside a small town with a nice old hardware store just like that, creaky wood floors and all. In fact the owner/operator is the mayor of town! :thumbup: :cool:
 
Jackknife, the eastern shore has considerably in the years I've been on this Earth, and I'm only 28. Can't imagine how drastic it must be for the older generation. All condos and developments down there now.
 
I once visited a genuine trading post on the Papago Reservation in southern Arizona that someone had mentioned in a casual conversation. It was no longer on the main road, but an abandoned stretch bypassed first by a realignment of the state highway, then again by the interstate about 35 years ago. A poured concrete bridge spanned the Gila River just to the south, a one- lane affair still in occasional use but with warning signs to prevent the obvious. One electric gas pump stood by the front door, an early hand pump with gravity feed from an overhead 10 gallon glass (!) tank was still standing nearby in disrepair (it's was one of only two I have ever seen in place).
We were there specifically to find collector woven baskets, a celebrated craft of the Papago tribe. We weren't disappointed.
The storekeeper showed us out back to a tiny shed hoarding random piles of finely made baskets in all shapes, sizes, and designs. All had been deposited in trade for store goods, the storekeeper absorbing the inventory without many sales since traffic between Phoenix and Tucson had been diverted years before. It seemed sad that others knowing of this basket stash kept the secret to themselves, unwittingly causing the store, and the trade in these baskets, to wither away. Now recently made ones are sold at curio shops along the interstate, displayed near vinyl mocassins and Taiwan souvenirs.
Anyway, my wife sorted out the baskets she could afford but was torn in making choices. I was inside reviewing the only COMPLETE selection of Queen Cutlery pieces I had ever seen. Folders, fixed, large and small, it was Queen heaven. When asked, the storekeeper offered that Queen was the only brand the locals trusted as fair value for their trade goods. That reaffirmed my own opinion of Queen and I was able to pick out a couple, despite the baskets that had been chosen and placed by the manual cash register.
Both Queens (a stockman and a trapper) were kept in the boxes for about five years until my son was old enough to handle them with supervision. He then understood they were his, to be reopened for use in another 5 years or so when a young man of 11 or 12 would need a good pocket knife.
Upon returning home from that four hour trip, my wife was holding back tears over one of the choices she had made. Without a word being said, I drove back alone to buy the one I knew she still wanted, but couldn't afford a third Queen for myself.
I returned again about two years later only to see the wood frame store abandoned, the old gas pump gone, and a remnant of the transitional southwest gone as well. I still like Queens...
 
Nice story, jackknife.

I'm lucky enough to live just outside a small town with a nice old hardware store just like that, creaky wood floors and all. In fact the owner/operator is the mayor of town! :thumbup: :cool:

Blues,
This literally sounds just like the town I use to live in, in the early to mid 1980's named, Blowing Rock, N.C.

BTW.. Great stories jacknife & striatshot.. :)
 
Hey Jackknife, question for ya? Does your family work out in the ocean? In salt water? I ask because of all the Big Chiefs you said were sold there. Doesn't aluminum hate salt water? I didn't think they got along that great. Hell, I thought aluminum handled salt water worse then Carbon steel? How do the watermen maintain their knives? How do they keep the rust away? Since I got me a few CV knives now, I am very interested in their up-keep.
 
Hey Jackknife, question for ya? Does your family work out in the ocean? In salt water? I ask because of all the Big Chiefs you said were sold there. Doesn't aluminum hate salt water? I didn't think they got along that great. Hell, I thought aluminum handled salt water worse then Carbon steel? How do the watermen maintain their knives? How do they keep the rust away? Since I got me a few CV knives now, I am very interested in their up-keep.


My family were Chesapeake Bay watermen, harvesting oysters in the winter and crabs in the summer. The bay is salt water, being one of the largest estuarys in the world. Its open to the ocean to the south, at Cape Henry. The averige workboat is 20 to 30 foot, with a large open rear deck area for working, and a small helm position forward. An arm stuck out over the starboard side with a pully wheel that snared a bouy rope that ran over it to hoist up the crab traps. While working on the open section of deck, you're exposed to any rain or spray, and being wet is part of the job. A slicker works somewhat, but water has a way of finding any weak spots, so being damp is part of the job. That mean anything in your pocket gets damp too.

Aluminum is not any worse that most materials when it comes to salt water, its not going to degrade in the space of a few minutes. I've had sak's in the pocket of my cutoffs that got immersed in the ocean with no ill affects. I just rinsed it off that night when I got home. Some of the boats we used to paddle back in Lecomte Marsh were aluminum Gruman canoes or rowboats. I guess it all depends on the kind of aluminum and if it has any anodizing protecting it.

When I was a kid, most of the men I knew carried carbon steel pocket knives, and all the knives on the boats were carbon steel. If grandad used his pocket knife on the boat, then he'd wipe it off on the leg of his overalls and just go on with the work day. No special care was taken durring the day.

But!

That night, and I think this is where my own dad got his habit, every night after dinner he'd sit at the kitchen table and carefully strop the knife and wipe it down with a clean rag. That was it. Just wipe it down. Sometimes he'd oil it in the joint. All the blades I remember from my childhood had deep charcoal grey patinas.

But we've come a long way since the 1940's and even '50's. Stainless steel has gotten alot better, and now I see cousins carrying sak's and Queen big Chiefs.
 
I kind've like them. Reminds me of a Douk Douk in it's simplicity and functionality. I saw one the other day, and almost got one, since they look like tanks and seem likely to take inordinate amounts of abuse, but decided against it. They are too big for my needs. JK, you said they come in different sizes. Where can I find one smaller then 5 inches when closed?
 
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