how to be buried ???

[Jack142]

WEll this is going to sound crazy BUT...
I had a funeral to go to in NJ and was talking to folks about how to be buried or cremated.
I had read a article in Readers Digest last month, where they are taking peoples ashes and subjected them to heat and pressure to make a large diamond out of their remains
WEll I came up with a thought. What if I got cremated and had my ashes placed in steel container of some kind of decent knife steel, 5160, 52100, or D2 or some kind of Demascus....AND then had it forged ... ashes and all into a large knife or sword.
Can it be done ?? I figure ashes are carbon based and the steel in the container would be forged into them ( or vise versa )
I think it would be kinda cool to end up as a Blade ( since thats kinda my passion )
Well gang what do ya think can it be done would you guys have it done to you how would you feel to be hanging up on a wall as a Blade ????
Told ya Im crazy !!!
Jack

 

[Gollnick]

Cremation is done at a fairly low temperature. It basically burns up the soft tissues. The remaining ashes of the soft tissues and charred bones are then run through a grinder (essentially a large coffee grinder) to create the "ashes".

You'd need to take these "ashes" and have them reburned in a furnace to get to carbon. This is what the diamond people do.

Once you've done that, it should be perfectly possible to add that to steel to make a knife blade, probably several.

 

[mtnbkr]

Yeah, but could you find a maker who would take someone's ashes and forge a blade with them? I imagine many would be "skeeved" to use a fellow foruminte's term.

Chris

 

[knifedaddy84]

Another option, why not donate your body to the tactical knifemakers guild so they can test their products on it?

 

[Steve Hayden]

Personally, I have only one requirement, I want to be dead first. After that, it doesn't matter much, although I lean towards cremation. We have enough dead people taking up space now.

 

[made2cut]

That's a pretty interesting idea. You could have yourself handed down to your grandkids as a big ass bowie. I can hear it now... "Hey, pass Grandpa over here, I need to chop up some kindling for the fire"

 

[tom mayo]

actually, when it comes your turn, you wont really care!!

 

[blastjv]

I like it. But, I'd want to be forged into a blade that gets USED, not just hung on the wall!!!

Knifedaddy84,

Even better!!!!!

-John

 

[Safety Guy]

Here's one link about cremation:

http://www.linnhertgeib.com/newsgeorgiacrematory2.html

Part of it says:

"The crematory requires either a casket or an alternative (cremation) container for cremation. All caskets and alternative containers must meet the following standards: Be composed of materials suitable for cremation; able to be closed to provide a complete covering for the human remains; resistant to leakage or spillage; sufficient for handling with ease; able to provide protection for the health and safety of crematory personnel.

The container and remains are placed inside the cremator, which is pre-heated to approximately 1,100 to 1,300 degrees Fahrenheit, along with a metal tag for identification. Once the container is positioned inside the cremator, the door is closed and the cremation begins.

At Tuscarawas Valley Crematory, the cremator is a Power Pack 2, which indicates the system has two burners. The machine also has two chambers, a cremation chamber and an after chamber.

Inside the after chamber, the temperature is maintained to cure the emissions from the cremation before they are released into the atmosphere.

"There is no smoke and no smell," said Plaso. "The Environmental Protection Agency closely regulates the emissions from a cremator. This particular machine is also equipped with a pollution control system."

The cremation starts with a "low fire" from a burner designed to ignite the container, followed by a "high fire" used for cremation. Temperatures inside the cremator will reach approximately 1, 575 degrees, but temperatures have reached as high as 2,200 degrees due to the type (solid oak) container used."

Once the cremation is complete, which typically takes between 90 minutes and three hours depending on the size of the individual and the container used, the remains are carefully removed from the machine using special tools.

The remains are collected and processed at a final processing station to remove any large bone fragments. The remains are checked for metal, such as screws or pins from medical procedures, shrapnel, and the metal identification tag, prior to final processing.

Once that processing is complete, the remains are placed inside a container ö an urn if selected ö along with the metal identification tag. At Tuscarawas Valley Crematory, a second laminated identification card is also placed inside the container with the remains.

The cremated remains are then returned to either the family or the funeral home in charge of arrangements.

The entire cremation process is a 1.2-million BTU process (compared to 80 BTU for a typical gas grill)..."


The temps sound rather "high" to me, but then I don't know what, say, a candle flame would temp at. There are probably different kinds of cremation, too. Definitely in foreign countries, where sometimes bodies are burned on pyres.

Nothing about "grinders," but again, maybe that was too "delicate" a process to mention, or some do use a grinder of some sort.

One of the reasons I'm posting this is because on SelfDefenseForums, we happened upon mention "spontaneous human combustion" one time. Turns out that "low temp," smoldering type fires can often burn up a good part of the body (and sometimes leave unburned parts behind), and provide a "normal" explanation for the so-called "spontaneous human combustion" phenomena.

Interesting thread!

Karl

 

[Roadrunner]

You know, when I first read this I was thinking how creepy it was. Then I read made2cut's response and suddenly the idea sounds pretty cool! Might still flip out family members though.

 

[Gollnick]

The temps sound rather "high" to me,

Yes, but not so high that they reduce the body to carbon.

 

[glockman99]

First, this was posted in the wrong forum...Should have been in "Community".

Second, burn my ass when I'm dead...I don't want no rats chewing on me, even if I'm dead.

Lastly, make SURE I'm dead, and not just looking dead, before I'm rolled into the furnace.

 

[T. Erdelyi]

Another alternative would be to do like the guy who invented the did, but instead of being made into a Frisbee, mix my ashes with the material for G-10 and make a Scale or a pistol grip outa me, this way I'll always be held.

 

[grommit]

ok, morbid curiosity here, what hapens to the metal medical appliances left over after the first burn? metal replacement joints, fillings, screws as mentioned in the article, plates, etc? These should all contain either stainless/titanium or precious metals. Are these trashed, buried with the remains, recycled? The steel parts and precious metals required to keep grandpa (or me, but they removed the screw...)going his venerable years could also play a large part in forging and then decorating a blade such as the one starting this thread.

 

[simko]

naked, with a bag of gravel behind my head

 

[etp777]

Interesting question Grommit. Dad has a full titanium hip here(top and bototm) or such was my understanding, so that's a lot of titanium could go towards a knife.

personally though, all organs and tissues will be donated when I die(or all that are still any good to anyone), and whatever's left I'll probably just have cremated and do whatever with. Help people after I'm gone, and lessen costs for family. Regular burial type funeral is just too frigging expensive these days

 

[Gollnick]

what hapens to the metal medical appliances left over after the first burn? metal replacement joints, fillings, screws as mentioned in the article, plates, etc?

Got a lot of that stuff, do you?

Some things are removed even before the cremation begins. Anything with a battery (e.g. implanted pacemakers) is because the battery might explode in the heat. Major pieces are sometime removed because they can screw up the cremation process. Larger pieces of remaining metal (e.g. orthopedic plates, pins, etc) go through the cremation process and are removed from the cremains and discarded (I suppose they'd return them to the family if you asked). Minor bits of metal (e.g. dental fillings) are simply ground up with everything else. Wedding rings, for example, are sometimes left on and cremated with the body and simply become part of the cremains.

When my father passed away, I was surprised by the funeral costs. Just a nice casket is $5000. I think my mother was a bit sticker-shocked too. She arranged a pre-paid cremation for herself and I can tell you that it a great thing she did. Not only was it less expensive, which was not a concern, but it was just so much easier on everyone. And the net result is the same. We burried the cremains right next to dad and her name is engraved on the stone right below his.

I only heard about the diamond thing after mom was gone. At the time, I might have considered it. But, in retrospect, it's best to let them go physically and emotionally. Clinging physically to some bit is, I suspect, not conducive to emotional release either.

 

[Jack142]

First off,
Glockman, Sorry, I didnt think to put it in the other forum. I'm usually on this one.....so I put my thread on this one.

Now guys . how about some opinions about your remains being made into a peice of steel to hang on a wall somewhere ??? IF it could be done ...... Would you do it ????? Just think IMORTALIZED in steel. Hangin on a wall or wacking away on some wood !!!!
You wouldnt just own a knife ..you would be the knife !!
Well whats up gang ?
Jack

 

[Richard]

With my luck I would no doubt end up in a knife being sent to Cliff, where he would proceed to smack into concrete a few times, pry apart an old gun-safe and then report on me in the review section.

 

[glockman99]

Originally posted by Jack142
First off,
Glockman, Sorry, I didnt think to put it in the other forum. I'm usually on this one.....so I put my thread on this one.

Now guys . how about some opinions about your remains being made into a peice of steel to hang on a wall somewhere ??? IF it could be done ...... Would you do it ????? Just think IMORTALIZED in steel. Hangin on a wall or wacking away on some wood !!!!
You wouldnt just own a knife ..you would be the knife !!
Well whats up gang ?
Jack

Actually, since your thread does have SOME knife-content, it's ok being posted here...It's just that the subject-matter threw me off alittle..