How to get started in knifemaking?

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I'm a knife nut, and have made kit knifes before, but would like to take the next step and make my own.

But I don't know where to start.

Should I not worry about forging, simply find metal the desired thickness, cut a blank, bevel then temper? Or would I be better off trying to forge my own steel? Or should I not get into forging or tempering yet at all?

What equipment will I need, or what will I need to build?
 
Do yourself a favor. Run... Run fast screaming unto the hills and never look back while you still have the chance.

Mark
 
I'm with Mark, RUN.

Then if you decide not to, then the first thing to consider is your cash supply, this can be and usually does become a very expensive occupation. Not at first, 1 thinks they can just grind out a few and thats all their interested in, then it becomes an addiction, you need a good grinder, then you want a forge and anvil, then a power hammer, then a press, then an oven, then an etcher, then couple drill presses, then a mill & surface grinder ( which I wished I had, and will some day) and lots of handle material, etc, etc.

O well, welcome to the nut house, and have fun. Life's short so follow your dreams. Some of them anyway. :D

Bill
 
You should run out an buy the 50 dollar knifeshop by Wayne Goddard.

I think the decision to forge or not is personal. This is a hobby, so what do you want to do. Forging is not a basement proposition in my view, if you have lots of rough or exterior space then you have a place to put it. I live in a city neigbourhood, and will be doing a little bit of forging this year. I got a donated anvil, and am working my way up through various gas forges. My biggest expense was to splash out on a grinder. I could have built one, but decided on buying a gold plater.

Managing the "business" is the big part for me. There used to be a guy in our heighbourhood, who wandered around giving gum to the local kids. nice guy. I don't ,however, want to be the knifemaking equivalent of that guy. I'm spending a few K, and I'm not all that interested in giving stuff away to my friends, though I probably will, then what? I'm not in this as a business, so what does one do with the product? That's why I like smithing, becuase it's no more expensive, takes longer, there is more to explore. With stock reduction I hade 2 saleable knives int he first few hours I spent grinding. There is just too much production too quickly to ignore. So anythign that soaks up a little time without being boring is a good idea in my view, and you can make quite a lot of different stuff on a forge.

For me the tiping point into smithing was the desire to heat treat my own steel. i like high carbon steel, and work with it every day as a carpenter. Stainless is nasty stuff from my perspective, so home heat treating was a real option for me. That led to the gas forge, that leads to the blacksmithing. If my feelings on the mater had been from the stainless side, then outsourced heat treating might have been the answer, and I wouldn't have strayed down this path.
 
"Forging is not a basement proposition in my view". I used to live in a 1 bedroom apartment where I forged in the living room. Left at least 4 holes in the carpet. :D Wife ended that one real quick. Anyway, knifemaking is like fishing. You can do it from shore with a $20 rod, or you can do it in a $20,000 bass boat.

If you're just getting started, stay cheap until you decide you like it. If you find the bug bites you, no matter what you do, don't let any female significant other in your life know the cost of the tools you want to get. It's the only way you hope to have a future in knifemaking. :D

Tim
 
All I wanted to know was how to sharpen knives, then how to find steel, then how to grind, then how to H/t, then how to solder, then...
You can spend as much or as little money as possible. You will find more info on how to do things cheaply than anything else. With out a dought, get the $50 knife Shop book, and I highly recommend a book by Tim McCreight called Custom Knife Making. The best advice a beginer like myself can give you is something that everyone told me but I had to learn it for myself... You don't really learn much until you start trying it, dive right in. I read and read but never learned that much until I started actually doing it.
 
BUY SOME BAR STOCK THE DESIRED THICKNESS, GRIND IT OUT TO THE SHAPE OF
YOUR BLADE, HEAT TREAT, TEMPER AND THROW A HANDLE ON IT! IF YOU LIKE
THAT THEN START ADDING MORE TOYS IN YOUR TOY BOX. AS FAR AS POWER TOOLS YOU DONE NEED ANY YET, HACK SAW, FILES AND SAND PAPER! LOL
 
Hookus, the easiest way to start that i found is to find a maker to help you in your area, I am not that far away from you if you want to try a few things out before you buy tools and everything else. Or you can find a maker inyour area that will help you out when you are first starting. It just depends on what you want to do first, forge, damascus, folders, fixedblades ect.. Email me if you would like to set up a time to meet and maybe come see the shop and the tools from there, let me know!!

Alan Folts

alanfolts@hotmail.com
 
including the suggestion to run like hell!

Buy a few books, and the 50 dollar knife shop is really good.

I can assure you that if you like working with your hands, and take pride in your work then you will enjoy this as a hobby or more. Be careful as you learn as you can lose more than a few dollars worth of steel if you are not careful, and don't make huge purchases of equipment until you are sure you like this stuff.

brake drum forges, and crushed charcoal can get you started with forging if you like, and hockey pucks make fantastic sanding blocks. Spend the money where the real expense and work are....on your files! Good files are not cheap, but if used properly they will last a long time. They also make great knives when worn out and forged into a new shape.....

Just remember, this is like little league.....have fun! You can make a few bucks and not be in business, but the best part is that you made something that someone else desired with your own hands......


Doc
 
Go buy a new corvette, snappy clothes, chase women, and drink a lot of good booze. It will be much cheaper---------------
 
Alan, I may take you up on that offer. I have to get some time in my schedule at work, but I would definitely be interested. I was thinking along the lines of fetz's advice to begin with. What are some of the best places to get bar stock? Can I temper 0-1 or some other carbon steel in my home oven? I have already learned the file thing! I learned you can't file tempered stainless steel worth anything. Lesson #1, I guess. I think I will order that $50 Knife Shop book for sure, it seems that is a very popular reference.
 
Hookus, many places to get steel, might try http://www.admiralsteel.com/ , they got lots! If you do not have materials though http://www.texasknife.com/store/s-pages/TKS_MainframeStore.htm may be better since they have alot of goodies...

The best advise though is to start reading all the posts in this knifemakers forum. You can not believe the knowledge that freely flows from some of the best knifemakers in the world! Read all the posts since the begining, when you are through you may not have all the answers, but at least you will be able to ask intelligent question! (Not saying that yours were not BTW!).
 
I agree with most of the other guys: read a lot, but you'll only truly learn by doing.
You can read all the books in the world about how to play basketball, for example, know all the rules, et cetera, but you won't really learn how to play basketball until you get out there and do it.

It's addicting...............
 
Just don't do it. Only good thing is that it gave me a nice wrieoff this year with a big old net loss on knifemaking.

Course, I'm about to put a hole int he wall cuz I friggin toasted edge on a knife I was working on. bringing down to final grind, and was moving a bit to slow, and tried for one too many passes without water(can normally get two quick ones, tried for third) and got to watch edge about 1" into blade turn niely blue.

Luckily it's O1, so I can re HT it, but not sure how well it'll work, have to do it jsut right, as it's already pretty thin now
 
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