How to reduce shop dust?

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I'm on vacation this week, so I have been working on getting my shop ready for when I order my grinder. My shop is about 10x15, and I'm concerned about keeping dust to an absolute minimum. (Otherwise I'll spend the rest of the day sneezing.) Any suggestions? Do dust collection systems actually work? Are they easy to set up? Thanks!
 
It's not the sneezing that bothers me, or even black boogers. It's the stuff you don't sneeze out.

First step is to buy a respirator or at least some dust-masks. Emphysema is no joke.
 
My shop is in the basement (poor ventilation). i always have a water bucket under my wheel/platen, wear a respirator and take the shop vac to everything atleast once a day.yes, i have OCD when it comes to a clean shop :)
 
Ill throw my 2¢ in here. I do mostly woodworking, and my shop is in my walkout basement, in the back where there is only 1 window, so no cross ventilation possible. So for me a dust collection system is a must. I also just added a bench grinder to my collection so I could make my own carving tools. After using it I can see Ill have to make a dust shroud for it too. I know that wood dust floats around forever, and can be as small as .5 micron in size. At .5 micron your lungs cant really get rid of it effectively, so you need a really good filter.

I use a Harbor Frieght DC 2 HP Industrial 5 Micron Dust Collector . The 5 micron bags are NOT good enough. So I added a .5 micron cartridge filter from Wynn Environmental 35A Series Cartridge Kit. Even with that hooked up to whatever machine Im using some dust is still thrown into the air. So I wear a 3M half face repirator while working too. My next investment is a shop air filtration unit like this one Jet Air Filtration System. Maybe this sounds extreme but I take my health pretty seriously. I dont smoke, so getting emphysema or lung cancer from my hobby would suck!

Im familiar with the dangers of wood dust, but Im guessing that grinder/metal dust can be just as dangerous. Just remember, its the stuff smaller than 5 microns thats really dangerous. The bigger stuff your lungs can naturally clean out. But most home filtration systems only go to 5 microns. So they are filtering the stuff thats not too bad for you. Spend the extra $$$ and get at least a 1 micron filter.
 
...Im familiar with the dangers of wood dust, but Im guessing that grinder/metal dust can be just as dangerous...

I would guess so, too. Some of the alloys we use have all kinds of interesting elements in them. Don't forget that you can start a campfire with steel wool; I've seen the pile of dust behind my old grinder get pretty darn glowy. My current grinder is set up so the belt hangs over the edge of the bench, with a bucket of water under it. Safer and makes cleaning-up a lot easier.
 
I set up a small HF, see link and its just blowes out my garage door, I have a 4" manifold which reduces to 2" to each machine with a gate valve (also HF) to the machines. Works great, reduces the dust in the shop, but I still wear a respirator on large pieces or at least a dust mask.

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=31810

LOL, I had thought to do that once... but wasnt sure my neighbors would like me too much when clouds of dust came billowing towards them while they played corn hole :)

I also had thought to put the DC outside. Maybe build a small shed next to the ouside wall of my shop and just run the intake through the wall. That would also free up the 2'x3' space it takes up in my shop :thumbup:

Now I just have to convince my wife that these projects I have in my mind are more important than repainting the bedrooms, replacing carpet, hardwood floors...
 
I've been saving links about this subject for a while. My shop has literally been outdoors beneath a canopy so I haven't set up dust collection yet. Never-the-less, I picked up one of the HF 2HP ones on a deal when I had the chance and will be installing it for a small 330SF shop space soon.

There seem to be three levels of air quality control:

  1. A personal filtration mask
  2. A dust collection system
  3. A work space air filtration system
I think of number one, ones face mask, as paramount. Get a good one that fits snug and with screw on replaceable filter cartridges that catch gases and fumes as well. We generate more than just particulate matter when we're grinding.

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Wow, thanks for doing all that research, Phil. You consider asking the mods to make those sticky, or add them to the safety sticky.
 
It seems to blow so much air you really dont see anything coming out, I went out with a broom a couple of times after shaping some handles and did not see anything to sweep. Taking the bag off really improved the volume of air.
 
Thanks for the info guys! I've got a good respirator, so I'm halfway there.

I'm thinking about ordering a Harbor Freight dust collector in the near future. Is a high CFM the main feature to look for? My plan is not to use filters, but to simply vent the dust outside. I don't have anyone living behind me, so I don't think that this will be an issue. I'm thinking that having 2 or 3 four inch PVC vacuum intakes for each machine would be adequate. Does this sound reasonable?
 
HF has a 2" flexable connection kit for their gates, Phil is right I dont use it for metal grinding and even if you use metal conduit the fan has plastic parts. The 2" flex to a 4" mainifold works good for all else. The opening on the side of the fan is 4", btw I use a 4" metal flexable dryer vent hose to connect the fan to my 4" flex manifold. It can be twisted around just about anyway without kink.

I use one intake for my bandsaw (connection provide by the maker), one for the drill press (connect next to drill head) one I can move to buffers when needed, and two by grinder, one below and one behind where the belt carries dust past the first. I use the gates to open and close for use.
 
Ok, PVC is out. Dryer hose it is. Any suggestions on which harbor freight collector to buy? I'm thinking that 2 mini units would eliminate almost all dust. My shop is only about 200 square feet.
 
I just use one and it seems to work well and have plenty of volume for my equipment. I have all of my machines needing dust collection on one wall so there is one manifold. If you have machines in more locations you may need two just to simplify the system. Did you see the gate valves on the HF web site, they work well.
 
I'm probably going to go with a large HF dust collector. They have a store nearby, so I can actually go pick it up. All of my machines are going to be against the same wall, so setup should be fairly easy.
 
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